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Who will be the next leader of the Labour Party?


Heligoland

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Who will the next leader of the Labour Party be?

Gilmore will be gone by the autumn, he has no reason to hang on, and the party has a track record of changing leaders when things go awry.

Labour can't go in to the locals with the poll ratings he has got, and nobody believes he has the sort of political intelligence to turn these around. This is the man, remember, who couldn't get a running mate elected in his own constituency despite a huge swing to his party in 2011.

A bad showing at the locals would be truly disastrous for the Labour Party, who depend on patronage and money from the local authorities they control (and all their related quangos) for much of their support outside the unions.

So, given it can't be Rabbitte or Quinn (they have already had a go) and Howlin is too weird, who do you think it will be?



 
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Who will the next leader of the Labour Party be?

Gilmore will be gone by the autumn, he has no reason to hang on, and the party has a track record of changing leaders when things go awry.

Labour can't go in to the locals with the poll ratings he has got, and nobody believes he has the sort of political intelligence to turn these around. This is the man, remember, who couldn't get a running mate elected in his own constituency despite a huge swing to his party in 2011.

A bad showing at the locals would be truly disastrous for the Labour Party, who depend on patronage and money from the local authorities they control (and all their related quangos) for much of their support outside the unions.

So, given it can't be Rabbitte or Quinn (they have already had a go) and Howlin is too weird, who do you think it will be?



Burton.

Question: How does the Labour party get money from local authorities and quangoes?
 

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I can't see him going away for another while. Shortall up next to many shocked faces.
 

Heligoland

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Question: How does the Labour party get money from local authorities and quangoes?
Jobs for party activists and their friends, who then channel money into local party funds. Advantageous planning decisions and contracts for the business community, which are repaid by (stealthily distanced) political donations. I thought this was common knowledge.
 

Eoin Coir

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If Howlin came out as gay he might be a viable candidate

cYp
enough of that. They tried it in Meath, Ivana went down to unveil new equality thing for gays, and it was a dead letter.
The older crew like Howlin, Shorthall,Burton etc have blown it- next leader in good few years will come from younger ranks like Sherlock, Nolan, etc. Motormouth Keaveney shot himself in foot -0 like Nullty who used Labour as springboard to get elected and jumped ship after a month or two.
 

Mr. Bumble

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Jobs for party activists and their friends, who then channel money into local party funds. Advantageous planning decisions and contracts fro the business community, which are repaid by (stealthily distanced) political donations. I thought this was common knowledge.
How endemic are these practices? Do you have any proof for your claims? Are they the only party who does this type of thing? Do you seriously think that the Labour party receives more donations from business than other parties?
 

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I can't see him going away for another while. Shortall up next to many shocked faces.
I couldn't see Shortall becoming the next leader. She's ruffled too many senior feathers.
 

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Gilmore may survive this one but if these results are repeated nationally in the Euros/Locals next year then there'll be too many worried Labour TDs for their not to be some sort of leadership challenge.

They lied in 2011 for their own selfish interest (to obtain power).

They'll act against Gilmore in entirely their own interests again.

Burton will probably be the front runner.
 

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Does it even matter anymore? Gilmore, Rabbitte, Howlin, Quinn and Burton are all toxic.
 

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who do you think it will be?
Mehole Martin.

The best route to massive pensions for the younger Amateur FFailures is to upgrade to the ProFFessionals.

The Amateurs have been at it now for nearly 100 years and have never managed to gain much traction. The only time they get a sniff of power is when the ProFFesional FFailures bugger up the economy so much that the sheeple vote for someone else in a fit of pique.

That's not a recipe for a lucrative retirement as they will never get enough years at the Ministerial Table.

The only potential downside is that they would be joining an organisation which already has a hierarchy in place, but the Amateurs' experience of infiltrating organisations and taking them over is supreme.

(and so is their track record of eating the host organisation from the inside like a parasite - which is something future generations living on this island would certainly benefit from; a FFailure FFree Zone)
 

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Does it even matter anymore? Gilmore, Rabbitte, Howlin, Quinn and Burton are all toxic.
Exactly.

The Labour party need to do some serious soul searching.... now. Other posters mention him surviving this and crawling on until the locals ? Do they want to take the risk.... how much more do they want to drop before they'll admit to themselves what's happening.

As for Shortall ruffling senior feathers.... the problem lies with the senior plumage. She should be plucking them, not ruffling them....
 

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How endemic are these practices? Do you have any proof for your claims? Are they the only party who does this type of thing? Do you seriously think that the Labour party receives more donations from business than other parties?
You're full of questions aren't you? Here are the answers:

Quite.
Have you ever wondered why so many people running quangos and in local authority jobs have connections to the Labour Party?
No.
No.

Maybe if you want to continue talking about htis yo should start a thread on it. This thread is about the Party's next leader.
 

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Seán Garland
He's still out there, with enough information in his head to send a lot of former Workers Party members to Guantanamo Bay.

He'll never spill though.

I wonder if Gilmore lies awake at night wondering what is on record in Pyongyang, and what might come to light if the regime there falls.
 

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Who will the next leader of the Labour Party be?

Gilmore will be gone by the autumn, he has no reason to hang on, and the party has a track record of changing leaders when things go awry.

Labour can't go in to the locals with the poll ratings he has got, and nobody believes he has the sort of political intelligence to turn these around. This is the man, remember, who couldn't get a running mate elected in his own constituency despite a huge swing to his party in 2011.

A bad showing at the locals would be truly disastrous for the Labour Party, who depend on patronage and money from the local authorities they control (and all their related quangos) for much of their support outside the unions.

So, given it can't be Rabbitte or Quinn (they have already had a go) and Howlin is too weird, who do you think it will be?
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your post may be hopefully a bit presumptius, will there be a labour party to lead the way things are going for them.
 

Mr. Bumble

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You're full of questions aren't you? Here are the answers:

Quite.
Have you ever wondered why so many people running quangos and in local authority jobs have connections to the Labour Party?
No.
No.

Maybe if you want to continue talking about htis yo should start a thread on it. This thread is about the Party's next leader.
You made an allegation in your OP. I questioned that allegation and, as yet, you have failed utterly to substantiate your allegation. If you don't want your allegation discussed, then you should remove it from your OP.
 

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It woult be wise for the rebels to move at this time,let Gilmore fry away, things can only
get worse for him,His damaged beyond repair, then the budget plus the party conference,
They are badly damaged,A new young leader and start from the opposition benches may
be their only hope of saving the Labour party,
 

Mr. Bumble

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Exactly.

The Labour party need to do some serious soul searching.... now. Other posters mention him surviving this and crawling on until the locals ? Do they want to take the risk.... how much more do they want to drop before they'll admit to themselves what's happening.

As for Shortall ruffling senior feathers.... the problem lies with the senior plumage. She should be plucking them, not ruffling them....
I could see Labour splitting, with a new harder left party forming and the remainder being subsumed mostly into FF and some into FG.
 

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