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Who will replace Enda Kenny in June 07?


Dr Strangelove

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Given most political commentators accept that it is on balance unlikely Fine Gael will be able to form a Government after the next General Election and that in such event Kenny will be forced to retire, who do posters here think will replace him?
 

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Dr Strangelove said:
Given most political commentators accept that it is on balance unlikely Fine Gael will be able to form a Government after the next General Election and that in such event Kenny will be forced to retire, who do posters here think will replace him?
Hello TkWhiskers

Fancy meeting you here
 

Dr Strangelove

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BarryW said:
Dr Strangelove said:
Given most political commentators accept that it is on balance unlikely Fine Gael will be able to form a Government after the next General Election and that in such event Kenny will be forced to retire, who do posters here think will replace him?
Hello TkWhiskers, Fancy meeting you here
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Other than you, who thinks Kenny will be forced to retire when FG fail to get into government? Given their local and European results last year, increasing their seats by a comparatively modest ten or so should be enough to guarantee his safety.
 

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Dr Strangelove said:
Given most political commentators accept that it is on balance unlikely Fine Gael will be able to form a Government after the next General Election and that in such event Kenny will be forced to retire, who do posters here think will replace him?
I think there is still a good chance we'll make up the ground in the next 18 months. The Government seem to becomming more unpopular every day.

But if we don't make it I'd say Phil Hogan or Richard Bruton will take over. Bruton certainly has the experience for the post.
 

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green said:
Other than you, who thinks Kenny will be forced to retire when FG fail to get into government? Given their local and European results last year, increasing their seats by a comparatively modest ten or so should be enough to guarantee his safety.
In fairness if he doesn't win the election he will have to go, Bertie, Pat and Trevor are in the same boat. If Bertie hadn't won in '97 he would have been shafted long ago.
 

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Varus said:
green said:
Other than you, who thinks Kenny will be forced to retire when FG fail to get into government? Given their local and European results last year, increasing their seats by a comparatively modest ten or so should be enough to guarantee his safety.
In fairness if he doesn't win the election he will have to go, Bertie, Pat and Trevor are in the same boat. If Bertie hadn't won in '97 he would have been shafted long ago.
I sincerely doubt that Trevor will be ousted if the Greens don't win the election.
 

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I agree with Varus, the leader of any of the major parties that doesn't get his party into government or seriously increase their seats will probably go.

Defo can't see Ahern or Harney staying on, Kenny and Rabbitte are in the same boat. The Greens are so slow they probably won't even realise they've lost the election!
 

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TKwhiskers said:
The Greens are so slow they probably won't even realise they've lost the election!
Ha!

That's funny!

Cos we are stupid!

Crazy stupid Greens!

Etc.
 

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We should start a thread on the next leader for each party, but as this one is already open, here's my tuppeny worth.
FG - Gay Mitchell if he takes it, assuming some sort of recovery for the blueshirts in Dublin, which he will claim responsibility for.
PD - Inla-style bloodbath leading to no more party and a load of disgruntled individuals.
FF - Biffo seems out in front to me, with Dermot Ahern a close second. Mickey M blew it spectacularly with the nursing home charges, while Cullen is a former PD and whiffs too much of nepotism and dodgy planning.
Labour - Will Howlin still be around to claim it when Pat goes? Depends whether Labour get into government anytime soon, I guess. Otherwise, the party needs some new talent fast.
 

TheChief

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Isn't this question over Kenny's leadership a bit perverse?

His time in the top job has been successful beyond the wildest dreams of any FG members post-2002, and there is almost unanimous agreement that FG will gain something in the region of AT LEAST 15 seats at the next GE.

Kenny is the most secure of any of the party leaders.
Ahern is a gonner if FG/Labour get into government
Harney is in big trouble - as is her party
Rabbitte's leadership hinges on the post-electiton numbers game. If they topple him in an attempt to enter coalition with FF, he'll pull the party down with him
If the Greens don't keep at least 4 then Sargent is gon (after the Euro disaster last year)
Adams is safer now than he was 6 months ago. He is loved among the SF membership- despite ahving sold out on every principle which SF once held
 

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For a LONG time now they think their problem has been leaders.

Their problem is:

1. They don;t stand for anything, when they did stand for Social democracy they got success but never stuck with it.

2. They are BADLY organised.

They should merge with FF.
 

BarryW

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Gladstone said:
For a LONG time now they think their problem has been leaders.

Their problem is:

1. They don;t stand for anything, when they did stand for Social democracy they got success but never stuck with it.

2. They are BADLY organised.

They should merge with FF.
:roll:
 

hiding behind a poster

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Gladstone said:
For a LONG time now they think their problem has been leaders.

Their problem is:

1. They don;t stand for anything, when they did stand for Social democracy they got success but never stuck with it.

2. They are BADLY organised.

They should merge with FF.

Yeah, they're obviously badly organised - that'd explain closing the gap in local authority seats between themselves and FF from over 100 to less than 10 in 2004. It would also explain how they became Ireland's largest party in the European Parliament in 2004, and how they beat FF in Meath, for the first time since 1927, to win the by-election. It also explains why they were the only party to increase their vote in both constituencies in the by-elections. It would explain the rise in party membership from 20,000 3 years ago, to 34,000 now. Clearly all that Fine Gaelers are doing these days is crying into their pints, wistfully remembering the good old days, and pining for the triumphant return of Charlie Flanagan and Alan Dukes to the Dail.

Jeez, cop yourself on, for cryin' out loud..... :roll:
 

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JCSkinner said:
PD - Inla-style bloodbath leading to no more party and a load of disgruntled individuals.
They're certainly gruntled now. It won't take much to put them over the edge.
 

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hiding behind a poster said:
Gladstone said:
For a LONG time now they think their problem has been leaders.

Their problem is:

1. They don;t stand for anything, when they did stand for Social democracy they got success but never stuck with it.

2. They are BADLY organised.

They should merge with FF.

Yeah, they're obviously badly organised - that'd explain closing the gap in local authority seats between themselves and FF from over 100 to less than 10 in 2004. It would also explain how they became Ireland's largest party in the European Parliament in 2004, and how they beat FF in Meath, for the first time since 1927, to win the by-election. It also explains why they were the only party to increase their vote in both constituencies in the by-elections. It would explain the rise in party membership from 20,000 3 years ago, to 34,000 now. Clearly all that Fine Gaelers are doing these days is crying into their pints, wistfully remembering the good old days, and pining for the triumphant return of Charlie Flanagan and Alan Dukes to the Dail.

Jeez, cop yourself on, for cryin' out loud..... :roll:
Yes they did well in 1999 and meltdown in 2002 don't translate locals to natioanals, Jeez cop yourself on, for crying out loud...and look at the facts.

They have also NEVER been re-elected and have only ONCE even came close to the strength of FF, and have never held still for long to keep to one idology and the general gap between their administrations is 20 years, that is failure if ever there was a discription of it.
 

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Gladstone said:
hiding behind a poster said:
Gladstone said:
For a LONG time now they think their problem has been leaders.

Their problem is:

1. They don;t stand for anything, when they did stand for Social democracy they got success but never stuck with it.

2. They are BADLY organised.

They should merge with FF.

Yeah, they're obviously badly organised - that'd explain closing the gap in local authority seats between themselves and FF from over 100 to less than 10 in 2004. It would also explain how they became Ireland's largest party in the European Parliament in 2004, and how they beat FF in Meath, for the first time since 1927, to win the by-election. It also explains why they were the only party to increase their vote in both constituencies in the by-elections. It would explain the rise in party membership from 20,000 3 years ago, to 34,000 now. Clearly all that Fine Gaelers are doing these days is crying into their pints, wistfully remembering the good old days, and pining for the triumphant return of Charlie Flanagan and Alan Dukes to the Dail.

Jeez, cop yourself on, for cryin' out loud..... :roll:
Yes they did well in 1999 and meltdown in 2002 don't translate locals to natioanals, Jeez cop yourself on, for crying out loud...and look at the facts.
So- we did well in 1999. and shit in 2002. Should we have hoped to do shit in 2004, so as to do well in 2007? Would things have been better if we lost 2 European seats, and 80/90 council seats?
 

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FG are not getting into govt in 2007 even their most successful leader admits that, nor do they deserve it, I'll never forget the cringe inducing debate between Dukes and O'dea in 2002 when they could not tell us what the diffrence between the two of them was.

They have also NEVER been re-elected and have only ONCE even came close to the strength of FF, and have never held still for long to keep to one idology and the general gap between their administrations is10- 20 years, that is failure if ever there was a discription of it.
 

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LowIQ said:
JCSkinner said:
PD - Inla-style bloodbath leading to no more party and a load of disgruntled individuals.
They're certainly gruntled now. It won't take much to put them over the edge.
Are you Barry W in disguise? :roll:
 
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