Who's responsible for the actions of your state?

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Who is ultimately responsible for what the state does? Is it just the government, the people who voted for it, or the people in general?

It's important to have an answer to this question, for at least two reasons:

(1) Holding someone responsible for something sometimes means holding them liable to pay certain costs (like compensating people for violating international law)

(2) If we want to deter bad behaviour, or encourage good behaviour, we need to be able to know which people to target. That requires knowing which people are actually responsible, and which are not.

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It's a good question.

In some cases I would hold only the government responsible because the people had no decision making ability, and the government may have concealed facts and pertinent information from the people.

In other cases it is clear that people voted for a government knowing that it had committed acts violating international law and would likely continue to do so.

While some people will not have endorsed that government, it remains a collective responsibility.
 

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Generally, we are all collectively responsible for what the state does. But, given that the actions of the state are actually the actions of individuals (public or civil servants), there are occasions when those individuals are responsible. eg diplomats or politicians on business abroad have to pay parking fines etc personally.

As for holding politicians personally responsible for their own bad decisions, I can't see that working in practice, unless you can prove bad-faith. If politicians run for office with the expressed intention of doing something, they get elected and do it, but it turns out to be the wrong thing, then I don't see what come back you have against them.
 

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That depends on what the elected representatives promised to do before they were elected.
If they gave full notice of their intention to do bad things and the voters voted for them anyway then those voters are as responsible as the govt. (Nazis)
If the govt gave a false impression or lied to get into govt and then did bad things then it is down to them and they hold responsibility. (FG and Labour)
If the govt gave a false impression or lied as above but there was ample evidence from history that they were a bunch of lying liars then the main blame lies with the voters and the govt. (FF and the fuppin tossers who repeatedly vote for them)
 

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It's a good question.

In some cases I would hold only the government responsible because the people had no decision making ability, and the government may have concealed facts and pertinent information from the people.

In other cases it is clear that people voted for a government knowing that it had committed acts violating international law and would likely continue to do so.

While some people will not have endorsed that government, it remains a collective responsibility.
Which is why we 'collectively' are bailing out the Banks.
 

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Who is ultimately responsible for what the state does? Is it just the government, the people who voted for it, or the people in general?

It's important to have an answer to this question, for at least two reasons:

(1) Holding someone responsible for something sometimes means holding them liable to pay certain costs (like compensating people for violating international law)

(2) If we want to deter bad behaviour, or encourage good behaviour, we need to be able to know which people to target. That requires knowing which people are actually responsible, and which are not.
Always concerned about a premise that has the word "Target" in its question. It has the appearance of a balanced question but in reality the outcome is already predetermined.
 

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Who is ultimately responsible for what the state does? Is it just the government, the people who voted for it, or the people in general?

It's important to have an answer to this question, for at least two reasons:

(1) Holding someone responsible for something sometimes means holding them liable to pay certain costs (like compensating people for violating international law)

(2) If we want to deter bad behaviour, or encourage good behaviour, we need to be able to know which people to target. That requires knowing which people are actually responsible, and which are not.

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The State is - as an Internationally recognised legal entity

- it is not as such related to any particular person or persons

Of course a State may deny liability through its lawyers on the instructions of the current Government of the day
 

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It's a good question.

In some cases I would hold only the government responsible because the people had no decision making ability, and the government may have concealed facts and pertinent information from the people.

In other cases it is clear that people voted for a government knowing that it had committed acts violating international law and would likely continue to do so.

While some people will not have endorsed that government, it remains a collective responsibility.
Only in some people's minds, not in reality.
 

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No idea.

But, alcohol is responsible for the state of my actions.
 

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There are different degrees of responsibility. The more power you have over the decisions of the state, the more responsible you are.
 

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There are different degrees of responsibility. The more power you have over the decisions of the state, the more responsible you are.
Like everything around here it all depends. If its a Muslim state absolutely everybody there and in all the neighbouring states as well are personally liable. If its not its less clear to be honest.
 
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I blame everything on system failure.

My refusal to vote should count.
 

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There is no such thing as "State"..What we have now is Corporate Entities posing as political parties to manage the finance of taxpayers funds...think (PENSION FUNDS)

As we have seen...Like most corporate entities they seriously overpay themselves, live way beyond the means of those paying or being ( Extorionated) Use the funding of "Taxes" for their lifestyles, and their friend's ...Using a countries assets as their personal piggy bank to benefit whoever they need to stroke..

Etc.Etc....
 

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Who is ultimately responsible for what the state does? Is it just the government, the people who voted for it, or the people in general?

It's important to have an answer to this question, for at least two reasons:

(1) Holding someone responsible for something sometimes means holding them liable to pay certain costs (like compensating people for violating international law)

(2) If we want to deter bad behaviour, or encourage good behaviour, we need to be able to know which people to target. That requires knowing which people are actually responsible, and which are not.


The Jews?

Isn't that the usual answer?
 


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