Who's responsible for the actions of your state?



Dearghoul

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Generally, we are all collectively responsible for what the state does. But, given that the actions of the state are actually the actions of individuals (public or civil servants), there are occasions when those individuals are responsible. eg diplomats or politicians on business abroad have to pay parking fines etc personally.

As for holding politicians personally responsible for their own bad decisions, I can't see that working in practice, unless you can prove bad-faith. If politicians run for office with the expressed intention of doing something, they get elected and do it, but it turns out to be the wrong thing, then I don't see what come back you have against them.
Nobody ran on a 'make bank debt, taxpayer debt' and in the vast windy space between that particular betrayal of public interest and where we are, lies a fundamental problem in that a meeting in Dublin, some say meeting at a golf club outside of Dublin could load uncontracted debts on a sovereign people without recourse to them.

As we've found since, the law of treason is pretty narrowly defined, and those that perpetrated this betrayal will be back in office before too long.
 

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Who is ultimately responsible for what the state does? Is it just the government, the people who voted for it, or the people in general?

It's important to have an answer to this question, for at least two reasons:

(1) Holding someone responsible for something sometimes means holding them liable to pay certain costs (like compensating people for violating international law)

(2) If we want to deter bad behaviour, or encourage good behaviour, we need to be able to know which people to target. That requires knowing which people are actually responsible, and which are not.

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Nobody is responsible. That's the whole point.

Starts at top and filters down. DoB or Christy Kinahan? All the same. Exactly the same. At this stage only a moron would differentiate.
 

Stentor

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Nobody is responsible. That's the whole point.

Starts at top and filters down. DoB or Christy Kinahan? All the same. Exactly the same. At this stage only a moron would differentiate.
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Of course. Why finish any discussion when the same one can be endlessly recycled without any conclusion. The ai is coming soon. Boy will all the farmed animals be well fed. It's appropriate that lapsed believers (the majority) will soon be overseen by an omnipresent machine. A real God to replace their pathetic and primitive confused brain fart of a god. Be business as usual though. No thought required. Just faith. Amen.
 

_FARAH_

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This is a relative question. If you deliberately voted for bad people to have power in govt, you are responsible for what they are doing. If you voted for good people but they became bad people in time, this is not your resposiblity, you could not know that. Democracy is a nonsense, true cannot vary from person to person, it is the same for everyone, but in democarcy if more people votes for 2x2=5, its accepted as 5.

We need artificial intelligence to govern countries. A software will only work based on information, not personal ego.
 

rainmaker

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Its quirky that this comment comes from a Keyboard Hitler.
Erdogan is the least democratic leader in Europe. As well being possibly the most laughable.

He demanded the jailing of a German comedian for making a joke about him, like I said - citing his corrupt regime as an example of democracy is laughable.
 

_FARAH_

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Erdogan is the least democratic leader in Europe. As well being possibly the most laughable.

He demanded the jailing of a German comedian for making a joke about him, like I said - citing his corrupt regime as an example of democracy is laughable.

I wont be a part of endless discuss loop based on personal ego. You can keep fooling yourself until there is a information base created where people make their claims based on infos.

 


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