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Why are middle class people in the Labour Party ?


PO'Neill

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Wondering the above as I'm sure their are no shortage of teachers, solicitors etc in the Labour Party than actual working class people such as bricklayers, lorry drivers etc So why ? Ok they may have a few token working class people in it, especially to do the postering, leafletting and so on. But is it that they join in their student days to be somehow 'radical ' :) by cosy middle class standards and cut out a niche for themselves and hence stick with the devil they know ? Surely FG or FF would more in line and indeed more profitable with their pro status quo values ?
 


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That gun in your avatar?

It's still pointing the wrong way!
 

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That gun in your avatar?

It's still pointing the wrong way!
Wannabe funny guy ....... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
 

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Wondering the above as I'm sure their are no shortage of teachers, solicitors etc in the Labour Party than actual working class people such as bricklayers, lorry drivers etc So why ? Ok they may have a few token working class people in it, especially to do the postering, leafletting and so on. But is it that they join in their student days to be somehow 'radical ' :) by cosy middle class standards and cut out a niche for themselves and hence stick with the devil they know ? Surely FG or FF would more in line and indeed more profitable with their pro status quo values ?
Cross that they don't join SF like the middle class Ruane and Mary Lou ?
 

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Cross that they don't join SF like the middle class Ruane and Mary Lou ?
you should see the location and design of the dwelling houses of the high profile SF politicians in Kerry..........hardly mingling with the working class, not even the middle class!
 

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you should see the location and design of the dwelling houses of the high profile SF politicians in Kerry..........hardly mingling with the working class, not even the middle class!
There's money in gun-running
 

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How many brickies, etc are there in the SWP and the Profit Before People Alliance?

Those parties are almost exclusively stocked with rich-kid revolutionaries from posh schools, led of course by Richard Boyd Barrett, an alumnus of St. Michaels College (other alumni include notable working class heroes Ruairi Quinn and Eoghan Murphy)
 

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Political affiliation isn't necessarily driven by self interest, and even if it were, centre-left politics is generally quite beneficial to those on middle incomes. Aside from which, even aside from whether middle-income individuals would be better off or not, it's a pretty rational perspective that someone might be willing to pay more in tax to achieve, for example, universal healthcare or childcare or higher standards of education etc.

It can't be the case, for example, that the only people in Sweden or Norway who support their model of taxation and public services are 'working class' in the fairly narrow definition of the OP. In a healthy democracy, people should be able to choose a politicial affiliation that matches the broad direction of travel they aspire to for the country, not just on the raw question of whether they, themselves, will end up paying more.
 

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Wondering the above as I'm sure their are no shortage of teachers, solicitors etc in the Labour Party than actual working class people such as bricklayers, lorry drivers etc So why ? Ok they may have a few token working class people in it, especially to do the postering, leafletting and so on. But is it that they join in their student days to be somehow 'radical ' :) by cosy middle class standards and cut out a niche for themselves and hence stick with the devil they know ? Surely FG or FF would more in line and indeed more profitable with their pro status quo values ?
ITo be working class these days you don't have to be be a cooper in Guinnesses, complete with cloth cap and apron.

I'm a translator who scrapes by to pay the modest mortgage. I consider myself a grafter who never got anything for nothing. I broadly support the Labour Party.

I'm not untypical.
 

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Wondering the above as I'm sure their are no shortage of teachers, solicitors etc in the Labour Party than actual working class people such as bricklayers, lorry drivers etc So why ? Ok they may have a few token working class people in it, especially to do the postering, leafletting and so on. But is it that they join in their student days to be somehow 'radical ' :) by cosy middle class standards and cut out a niche for themselves and hence stick with the devil they know ? Surely FG or FF would more in line and indeed more profitable with their pro status quo values ?
I reckon if they are bricklayers and lorry drivers then they may well be self employed which means they will be totally petty bourgeoisie. Maggy Thatcher targeted those type people successfully and actually used the term 'van driving classes'.
I'd say solicitors wouldn't be Labour supporters for the most part but I'm only guessing. As for teachers wouldn't they be mostly from ordinary backgrounds? I haven't seen any stats for they way they vote although it would be interesting to see that.
 

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Wondering the above as I'm sure their are no shortage of teachers, solicitors etc in the Labour Party than actual working class people such as bricklayers, lorry drivers etc So why ? Ok they may have a few token working class people in it, especially to do the postering, leafletting and so on. But is it that they join in their student days to be somehow 'radical ' :) by cosy middle class standards and cut out a niche for themselves and hence stick with the devil they know ? Surely FG or FF would more in line and indeed more profitable with their pro status quo values ?
The notion that being left wing in politics is a uniquely working-class thing is one of the most unthinking bits of nonsense out there.

Karl Marx was the son of a lawyer.

Engles' father was a rich cotton dealer.

Lenin's dad was a schools inspector.
 

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Surely FG or FF would more in line and indeed more profitable with their pro status quo values ?
Perhaps people don't always support the party that is in their own best interests but look at the wider picture. I probably fall into the middle class and am broadly sympathetic to Labour (I did change to FG in Garrett's time). If you do not want to support Tweedldum or Tweedledee you are left with Labour but I wish they had not joined this coalition.
 

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I saw some stats years ago indicating that the Greens had the wealthiest electorate, Labour the second-richest, and SF the poorest. None of that would be surprising.

Weber wrote about capitalism creating the wealth that also ends up creating a class of bourgeois kids with the money and time to devote to lefty bull***t. The free market sowing the seeds of its own destruction, as it were.
 

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Perhaps people don't always support the party that is in their own best interests but look at the wider picture. I probably fall into the middle class and am broadly sympathetic to Labour (I did change to FG in Garrett's time). If you do not want to support Tweedldum or Tweedledee you are left with Labour but I wish they had not joined this coalition.
i suppose that when it comes down to brass tacks there is no real difference between FF and FG while Labour are FF/FG Lite!
 

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The notion that being left wing in politics is a uniquely working-class thing is one of the most unthinking bits of nonsense out there.

Karl Marx was the son of a lawyer.

Engles' father was a rich cotton dealer.

Lenin's dad was a schools inspector.
Ryan Giggs's dad was a rugby player.
 

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The notion that being left wing in politics is a uniquely working-class thing is one of the most unthinking bits of nonsense out there.
If you're rich, you can hardly complain because you are a champaign socialist.
If you're poor, you are just trying to leech off the labour of the hard working entrepreneur.

Its quite annoying, especially since some of the more prominent left wing people in politics seem to have taken the stereotype of the champaign socialist as a training guide. :(
 

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