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Why are the Irish so passive?


TommyO'Brien

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One of the most surprising aspects of the current crisis is how passive the Irish people are.

Of the marches in the last two years, only one, of the OAPs, was very well attended. The march held yesterday had only about 1500 people attending, a frankly appalling attendance. Small towns in France got more to their marches yesterday than the main march in Ireland.

Despite all the claims of mass support for the alleged to have parked his cement mixer in front of the Dáil gates, a whopping five people turned out to support him outside the Criminal Courts of Justice.

Most marches in Ireland are under-attended and have little impact.

The issue isn't the damn guarantee etc but a broader issue - why are the Irish so passive?
 

Panopticon

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Marches achieve nothing, why waste one's time on them? The last two marches that mattered in Irish politics were Love Ulster and Reclaim the Streets - each, of course, famous for the accompanying violence rather than the aims of the demonstrators.
 

firefighter

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You need to get the farmers and the OAPs on board.

Trouble is, they don't have Facebook and twitter.
 

flavirostris

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Hard to fathom. You'd wonder what it would take to get them onto the streets. The French would have torn down the government by now
 

jams odonnell

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because they are too sensible to waste their time on activities that have no appreciable benefit?
 

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I'm alright Jack nation.
 

TommyO'Brien

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Hard to fathom. You'd wonder what it would take to get them onto the streets. The French would have torn down the government by now
It puzzles me certainly. The French rebel at the drop of a hat. It was famously said that the French overthrew King Louis Phillippe in 1848 because "France is bored". :lol: It was joked that France had had so many constitutions caused by revolutions that the constitution was kept in the periodical section of libraries.

Yet nothing seems to get the Irish onto the streets. :cry:
 

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In the past few years, protesters are regarded as kind of terrorists, the media encourages it and then condemns it, i.e. interviewing someone from ISME to say how many euro was lost to small business due to the protest.

People are frightened & feel that a protest may hurt someone they don't want to hurt & will not make a whit of difference to the people they want to hurt.
 

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Its because of people like you tommy.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
The sympathy for the guy here is comic.

Lets deal with some facts.

This nut managed to cause traffic problems all through central Dublin, at a time where businesses are struggling to survive, leading to many of the main bus routes being delayed, people late for work, companies who need staff in at particular times to function having their staff delayed, whole also affecting deliveries in the city. Acceptable? No.

His antics came close to injuring a guard outside the gate who was doing nothing other than his job, and had to jump out of the way, according to the witnesses. Acceptable? No.

He tried to attack gardaí who sought to get him down of the rig with a hurley according to witnesses. Is that OK? No.

To complain about Anglo Irish and its cost the idiot cost the state money at a time when it is broke. Dumb? Yes.

He was also damn lucky. If anyone tried to drive a large vehicle up to the gates of most parliaments around the world they would have been shot dead before they got near it because they would have had no idea if the vehicle was loaded with explosives. The Oireachtas is always protected, and has been since 1922, by armed military police. He was lucky none of them opened fire.

What he may have done is curtailed the right to protest of all citizens. Technically it always has been illegal to gather outside the Oireachtas for security reasons. But the law has never been enforced. Just as that nut who attacked the referee in Croke Park meant that no crowds will ever again be allowed onto the pitch there, so this as*hole is likely to at a minimum lead to new and expensive security arrangements being put in place. At worst, it could lead to the enforcement of the ban on people gathering outside the Dáil. Hopefully that won't be the case, but it may well be one of the things that will be considered alongside new security arrangements.

So all because of some clown, Dublin's ability to function this morning was disrupted, businesses already on a knife-edge lost more money, the safety of guards was endangered, and new and expensive new security arrangements may well be put in place.

I hope they throw the book at him.
 

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Why does it always have to be the Irish to stand up to them and their financial terrorism. Ireland was beginning to rival England for business and investment and was resisting the EU so naturally we got taken out.

All roads lead to the City of London banks and their owner the Crown as always. The Irish are sick of fighting them, we're worn out, it's high time the Russians, Germans, Japanese and Chinese united together and stood up to the English and their Yank cousins. Good news is there are signs that this is starting to happen.
 

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Yesterday's RTE news coverage of the protest:

- Red commie flags
- Nutters outside anglo mixed in with skinheads and earthy types
- Flashes of Richard Boyd Barrett
- Flashes of Gerry Adams
- Bearded union dude bellowing down microphones
- Padded out with life's failures still being paid by the hour and going from one job to the next in their 50s
 

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13.7 % are unemployed but 86.3% are working. A lot of the 13.7% are struggling but the majority are getting by nicely.
The Irish people overall are a hundred times better off, are better educated, more aware of the silly politics nonsense. Have to bear in mind our protesters these days are keyboard warriors and do not like to leave the comfort of the armchair and their laptop
 

kerdasi amaq

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Wait 'til the budget. If people find out that they'll be better off not working. Maybe that'll trigger something.
 

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One of the most surprising aspects of the current crisis is how passive the Irish people are.

Of the marches in the last two years, only one, of the OAPs, was very well attended. The march held yesterday had only about 1500 people attending, a frankly appalling attendance. Small towns in France got more to their marches yesterday than the main march in Ireland.

Despite all the claims of mass support for the alleged to have parked his cement mixer in front of the Dáil gates, a whopping five people turned out to support him outside the Criminal Courts of Justice.

Most marches in Ireland are under-attended and have little impact.

The issue isn't the damn guarantee etc but a broader issue - why are the Irish so passive?
I'm confused, were you not condemning the most powerful single protest seen in the country in years recently, the cement mixer driven to the gates of Leinster house?
You highlighted some consequences to the guys actions. Perhaps that's the reason - people tend to think too much before they decide to act. Call it an innate conservatism.

Otherwise, the only other reason I can think of is that people just don't understand how much trouble the country is in, and are clinging to the hope that someone, somewhere will solve this problem for them.
 

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They are either holding onto their current jobs, houses and what money they still have for dear life or trying to hunt for a job while living on the dole.
People have bills to pay, families, real lives and real responsibilities.
They don't have time for messing and dreaming.
Except...on the eve of the Iraq War, more than 100,000 demonstrators turned out to oppose the overthrow of fascist dictator Saddam Hussein.
Maybe if there was a plan to overthrow Mugabe or Kim Jong Il, you might get a big crowd.
 
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I think we are still in a state of shock to be honest. We went from the Midas Touch to the Toxic Banks almost overnight.

There is a hope inside us that when we wake up in the morning all will be as it was.

Yep! We're traumatised. Call the medics! Oops, we have none. Cutbacks.
 

Luigi Vampa

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Waste of time. The Irish people got what the Irish people voted for : cute hoors, scumbags and crooks. The quality of Irish politicians is in direct proportion to the quality of the voters.
 

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It puzzles me certainly. The French rebel at the drop of a hat. It was famously said that the French overthrew King Louis Phillippe in 1848 because "France is bored". :lol: It was joked that France had had so many constitutions caused by revolutions that the constitution was kept in the periodical section of libraries.

Yet nothing seems to get the Irish onto the streets. :cry:
Fintan O'Toole in his book "Ship of Fools" describes the contrast between 2 "celebrity" weddings held in Ireland & France. The Wedding in Ireland was I think Brian McFadden and he described the muted local reaction to roads being closed off, disruption to traffic etc.
The French Wedding was Georgina Ahern & Nicky Byrne ( I think ) where the guests were shuttled in in Limos with blacked out windows. The entrance to the Wedding Marquee was even shielded from view because of magazine deals etc.
The French locals ( rightly ) took the hump and made their feelings clear to the Irish "celebrities".
It was a good example of the contrast between Irish servility/passivity and Gallic spirit
 
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Yesterday's RTE news coverage of the protest:

- Red commie flags
- Nutters outside anglo mixed in with skinheads and earthy types
- Flashes of Richard Boyd Barrett
- Flashes of Gerry Adams
- Bearded union dude bellowing down microphones
- Padded out with life's failures still being paid by the hour and going from one job to the next in their 50s
Why don't you stick to what you like doing best. Defending the scum of the earth.
 
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