Why are we so angry

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I just cant get my head around it.

Fianna FAIL went into the 2007 elections with a tainted Bertie Ahern as leader with some unbelieveable testimony given to the tribunals whch any normal thinking person would have great scepticism about :)

The "dig outs", the suitcase in the Ashling Hotel, the gi gi`s, the BT account etc.......

41% of us decided that these were the people to keep the economy going and to ensure a soft landing.

Even the Greens stood in 2007 as a party that wouldn`t do a deal with Fianna FAIL. Then what happens the Greens vote to form a coalition with who ? Bertie Ahern and his party :) Shame !!!

We get the calibre of elected representative we deserve

Timmy Dooley - John Maloney - Beverley Flynn - Eamon O` Cuiv - Mary Coughlan - Michael Kennedy - Mary Harney

And then what, the economy falls over a cliff and these elected teachers, care workers etc..... have to save the economy and try to ensure growth in the economy.

If you were getting a transplant you wouldn`t go to your accountant :)

But we expect these elected TDs who are world beaters at attending funerals, fast tracking medical cards, fast tracking passports, opening sports halls, fixing pot holes and writing letters to save us.

Can we all just please grow up.

18% still support the hard decisions Fianna FAIL are making and Biffo still enjoys some support and TOTAL SUPPORT within the Fianna FAIL party !! Sound familiar. So did Bertie :)

Who disagreed with any of Bertie`s testimony within Fianna FAIL. They all believed it credible.

So when Fianna FAIL say we are all to blame they are right. But especially those 41% + anyone that voted Green or for the independents that continue to support this Government.

The rest of us, tough luck. Its a democracy - supposedly
 


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you see this recession has shown the people of ireland the inaccuracies of our current political system and it's parties.
your right about needing a transplant and going to the accountant. what we need is something like the american political system, where someone who knows about health care will be in charge of health care and someone who knows about finance will be in charge of finance.

it's easy to kick someone when they are down and what Ireland needs is someone to help pick up their teeth and start that gravey train again but this time have someone driving it.
Without hope we are all ************************'d and at the mercy of Fine "split" gael and "we haven't a clue what to do" Labour, oh and some far-right parties and communists i mean SWP. i don't see FF getting back in for a few years but if they do win the next election, the people deserve what they get.
 

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I hope your not one of these new Fianna FAIL spin masters................sure "we`re all the same" :(

We are a clueless electorate. We need to get Fianna FAIL clean. I know its difficult but 10 years in opposition will be a very good start :)
 

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There is anger due to the ongoing mess in all areas.
We are like a patient who was told the cut on your hand needs a plaster and all will be well.
Two years later you are about to have your hand amputated due to gangerine as the plaster realy should have been 6 stiches.
Bring the budget back into November and lets get it over wioth thats if all these FF TDs who say no pension cuts stand up.
Or have a General election on the 25th line in the sand needs to be drawn urgently yet Biffo can still open supermarkeys and football pitches
 

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We get the calibre of elected representative we deserve
Timmy Dooley - John Maloney - Beverley Flynn - Eamon O` Cuiv - Mary Coughlan - Michael Kennedy - Mary Harney
Other than being a member of FF and generally useless, I'm curious as to why you put Michael Kennedy on the list. He has not had his chance to shine like the two Marys or Eamon. Just curious..
 

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41% of us decided that these were the people to keep the economy going and to ensure a soft landing.
Your maths are mistaken. Around 832,000 out of an electorate of about 3,000,000 is not 41%. More people abstained from the charade than voted for FF.
 

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The others are too useless to vote ( bar of course the students who Fianna FAIL try to obstruct from voting )

Michael Kennedy is on the list for the interviews / questions asked etc around the time of the Hangar 6 (?) incident in Dublin Airport.
 

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Protests in Iceland:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f0GVK6wzfQ&feature=related]YouTube - Police fight protesters in Iceland[/ame]
 

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The others are too useless to vote
On the contrary, the system is too obviously rigged for people to be suckered by the charade. People aren't stupid. We know that whoever we vote for we are voting for substantively the same thing. If there is still no choice at the next election the system will again claim a government mandate based on the will of a minority of the electorate.
 

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Your maths are mistaken. Around 832,000 out of an electorate of about 3,000,000 is not 41%. More people abstained from the charade than voted for FF.
Will agree with you on the maths. But it is also a sad refelection on the part of people in Ireland taking an interest in their democracy. Those who didn't vote essentially abstained because the majority of them didn't care either way. It will be interesting to see will the recession bring people back towards participatory democracy or create even further dis interest in politics.
 

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"People aren`t stupid"

I would have to disagree with you there :)

Are you saying that people shouldn`t vote at all then as politicians will still get in !!!!
 

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Will agree with you on the maths. But it is also a sad refelection on the part of people in Ireland taking an interest in their democracy. Those who didn't vote essentially abstained because the majority of them didn't care either way. It will be interesting to see will the recession bring people back towards participatory democracy or create even further dis interest in politics.
The non voters will be the first to complain when social welfare is cut, childrens allowances are reduced, taxes rise, property tax & water rates are introduced.

They might even give out about the state of the health service.
 

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I hope your not one of these new Fianna FAIL spin masters................sure "we`re all the same" :(

We are a clueless electorate. We need to get Fianna FAIL clean. I know its difficult but 10 years in opposition will be a very good start :)
Their extermination as a political force would be safer.
 

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Are you saying that people shouldn`t vote at all then as politicians will still get in !!!!


I'm saying anybody with an ounce of sense wouldn't vote for the criminal class that currently inhabits the Oireachtas.
 

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I hope your not one of these new Fianna FAIL spin masters................sure "we`re all the same" :(

We are a clueless electorate. We need to get Fianna FAIL clean. I know its difficult but 10 years in opposition will be a very good start :)
Why bother trying to rehabilitate them? The gombeen culture is too engrained. Better to ensure their destruction in the next and every subsequent GE. Sadly this won't happen and the sheeple will vote for them time and again.

Re why we're so angry, for me it's because I'm voiceless (no offence Pie but the 'net ain't the same as a public demonstration). The union leaders who should be leading mass demonstrations are silent, the opposition parties are...I don't know what they are, they've all signed up to the same promises as FF so what's the difference? I feel like we're being herded into a pen ready for the butcher. I feel really angry when I think that we're bailing out these gimps who have ruined the country, privatise profits and socialise losses.
 

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bertie was called the telfon taosieach remeber that
aslo nothing was proven against him no allegations
and as Soon to be senator Harris pointed out
he does not live the high life so if he is corrupt "wheres the money?"
Also its teh econmoy stupid

The total Irish electorate registered as eligible to vote as of 24 February 2007 was 3,110,914.
As 2,085,245 first preference votes and invalid votes were cast in the general election this equates to a voter turnout of 67.03%.

41% for FF so that gives 854950 fiana fail votes
854950/3,110,914 = 27.5% of Irish votes votes Fianna Fail
or one in five

I did not vote in 2007 as I was out of country on work.

Perhaps we need complusary voting and more polictal eduactaion in schools.
I don't recall any polictal eduactaion in school

We also need to attract more engineers and busniess people
into politics. I was reading somewhere recently that china leaders
all have PHDs.
 

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Those who didn't vote essentially abstained because the majority of them didn't care either way.
Indeed the outcome was inevitable, all that has happened would have happened just the same had other party factions been at the helm. Or else where were they warning us of the folly? It's not that people don't care, it's that there really is no point, it's effectively a one party system.
 

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i'm angry. . watchin Reeling in the Years. . .my blood is boiling!!!
Will the government last until we reel in 2009???
 

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The non voters will be the first to complain when social welfare is cut, childrens allowances are reduced, taxes rise, property tax & water rates are introduced.

They might even give out about the state of the health service.
I agree with your sentiments there. Here in Finland where I live we also have very low turn-out at elections and I have never understood the reason for that as there are a lot of parties on option. I will certainly vote for the "Perussuomalaiset"-party, the "True Finns" as they have been translated, at the next elections. I just am fed up with the influx of immigrants into my country and the party of my choice is well-known to be critical of this development.

However, there are a lot of lunatic fringe parties on option out of which certainly some will strike a chord with a voter. Therefore, not voting is not a sensible option.
 

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Your maths are mistaken. Around 832,000 out of an electorate of about 3,000,000 is not 41%. More people abstained from the charade than voted for FF.
Thats the point that the politicians and media like to ignore. Nearly 50% of people now refuse to take part in the charade of fake "democracy," and that figure is increasing all the time. Sooner or later, this 50% plus will demand a new form of state, where the people have a real say in whats going on.
 


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