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Why do the (British) media persist the fallacy that the UK is a nation?


Cai

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It's a given as far as the British media is concerned that Britiain is a nation. But judging from the 2011 census most people - in England & Wales at least see the UK as a collection of nations. Given an opportunity to describe themselves as British, most people in both countries declined to do so.

Why the rift between media narrative & public opinion?

In Wales:

Welsh only ... 57.5%
Welsh and British only ... 7.1%
Welsh and any other(s) ... 1.2%
Welsh in any form ... 65.9%
Not Welsh ... 34.1%

British only ... 16.9%
British and any other(s) ... 9.4%
British in any form ... 26.3%
Not British ... 73.7%

English only ... 11.2%
English and British only ... 1.5%
English and any other(s) ... 1.1%
English in any form ... 13.8%
Not English ... 86.2%

In England:

English only ... 60.4%
English and British only ... 9.1%
English and any other(s) ... 0.7%
English in any form ... 70.1%
Not English ... 29.9%

British only ... 19.2%
British and any other(s) ... 10.1%
British in any form ... 29.3%
Not British ... 70.7%

Welsh only ... 0.6%
Welsh and British only ... 0.1%
Welsh and any other(s) ... 0.1%
Welsh in any form ... 0.8%
Not Welsh ... 99.2%

Census 2011, Table KS202EW
 

ruserious

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This will educate all the shinnerbots:
[video=youtube;rNu8XDBSn10]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10[/video]
 

Eire1976

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The UK is an invention of English imperialists.

The union jack is the evidence of this, an abhoration of the national rights of Scotland and Ireland.
 

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Most likely it's a race thing. Black people overwhelmingly define themselves as 'British', but not English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish. White British define themselves according to their respective 'nations' to differentiate themselves from the ethnic population.
 

Mercurial

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Nations more or less exist so long as enough people believe they do and genuinely identify as members.
 

Cai

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Most likely it's a race thing. Black people overwhelmingly define themselves as 'British', but not English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish. White British define themselves according to their respective 'nations' to differentiate themselves from the ethnic population.
There's little or no racial difference between the Welsh & English.
 

Cai

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Nations more or less exist so long as enough people believe they do and genuinely identify as members.
What I'm after is why the perception you get in the media is so different to the perception of Joe Bloggs or Jo Bowen.
 

ruserious

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One of? A Republican? Afraid so. Non-violent, but never will accept the legitimacy of the northern statelet.
No, I was referring to this State. The birth of NI may have been illigitmate but so much time has passed, you cannot call the majority wish illigitimate.
 

Spirit of 67

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84,000 people across the UK declared themselves to be Cornish , 73,000 of them living in Cornwall , that`s up from 37,000 in the 2001 census . Sorry I can`t post a link , I don`t enough posts made :? .
The figure is also remarkable , they say, because there is no tick-box for people responding to the Census to say they are "Cornish" . Instead , they had to tick "other" and then write in their response .
 

Snowboy

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One of? A Republican? Afraid so. Non-violent, but never will accept the legitimacy of the northern statelet.
Then you'll always have problems in your own home.

Quite a few southern unionists had similar problems, but after all this time they all think of the Republic as home. If you can't give your allegiance to the place you live, then you've got serious problems.
 

Bandheacseoir

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If you can't give your allegiance to the place you live, then you've got serious problems.
You think folk should always swear allegience to the state in which they liv? Even if they feel it discriminates agenst them?
 

Cai

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Thank you for informing me of this, but nowhere did I suggest that there was.
In Wales people who define themselves as just Welsh tend to live in areas where there are few if any people from ethnic minorities.
 
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