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Why do the young today lack "Gravitas" or any respect for it?


SevenStars

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Its come more and more to my attention that people my own age (mid to late 20s- those below us being even worse) lack a serious attitude to life (outside of maybe career issues)....And whats worse even pride themselves on a generally infantile and superficial attitude to existence. Its not uncommon to see presumably hetrosexual boys (and deliberately dont say men) behaving like the worst type of 14 yr old girl. Why is this? What outside of a thorough going dictatorship can be done to reserve this trend?
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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Respect is earned & deserved.

If their predecessors behave like this then the next generation will emulate them.

Observe a bunch of forty or fifty somethings at play in a pub or golf club and you will see the template.

If the older generation is going ot go out and borrow al laround them and blow it on trinkets -how do you expect the yoof to behave differently.

Look at the taoiseach for f***s sake .His natural instinct is to be on the piss clowning around when he should be attending to his duties with gravitas and seriousness.
 

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Its come more and more to my attention that people my own age (mid to late 20s- those below us being even worse) lack a serious attitude to life (outside of maybe career issues)....And whats worse even pride themselves on a generally infantile and superficial attitude to existence. Its not uncommon to see presumably hetrosexual boys (and deliberately dont say men) behaving like the worst type of 14 yr old girl. Why is this? What outside of a thorough going dictatorship can be done to reserve this trend?
I guess you could travel through time to put right what once went wrong. That usually does the trick for me.
 

DeputyEdo

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I blame the celtic tiger......turned a lot/most/some people into self centered asswipes
 

Flynnster

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Its come more and more to my attention that people my own age (mid to late 20s- those below us being even worse) lack a serious attitude to life (outside of maybe career issues)....And whats worse even pride themselves on a generally infantile and superficial attitude to existence. Its not uncommon to see presumably hetrosexual boys (and deliberately dont say men) behaving like the worst type of 14 yr old girl. Why is this? What outside of a thorough going dictatorship can be done to reserve this trend?
What a pretentious twit you are. Since when did you decide what type of attitude is appropriate for a certain age group.

Out of curiousity what constitutes a "serious attitude to life"?

Why specify a supposed sexual orientation in your post? Is that significant to you in some way?

I fail completley to understand your final sentence. What is a "thorough going dictatorship"?
 

Sean O'Brian

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What a pretentious twit you are. Since when did you decide what type of attitude is appropriate for a certain age group.
I think we may have something of an answer here: "Who are YOU to say/decide how I should...blah blah etc."

A significant factor is the radical autonomy conferred on people by modern liberalism, and the consequent atomisation of individual life. There are no public standards - just personal choices. People get offended by the idea that they should conform their behaviour to collective or societal expectations.
 

Flynnster

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I think we may have something of an answer here: "Who are YOU to say/decide how I should...blah blah etc."

A significant factor is the radical autonomy conferred on people by modern liberalism, and the consequent atomisation of individual life. There are no public standards - just personal choices. People get offended by the idea that they should conform their behaviour to collective or societal expectations.
I don't believe people do get offended by the idea of conforming. People conform all the time in their everyday lives. The original poster decides in his view that "young people" do not meet his criteria for "taking life seriously".

What does he know about these people, their thought process or anything else. Its a rush to judgement by an arrogant twit who assumes he is better than the "boorish" young people he comes across.
 

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Its come more and more to my attention that people my own age (mid to late 20s- those below us being even worse) lack a serious attitude to life (outside of maybe career issues)....And whats worse even pride themselves on a generally infantile and superficial attitude to existence. Its not uncommon to see presumably hetrosexual boys (and deliberately dont say men) behaving like the worst type of 14 yr old girl. Why is this? What outside of a thorough going dictatorship can be done to reserve this trend?
Isn't that the age group who suffer most from suicide???

I would suspect that it isn't 'cool' to have a serious perspective on life, in some quarters.

I truly believe it is an image that a lot of this age group believe they have to protray, unfortunately. Some of them are paying the cost, with their lives.
 

fluffykontbiscuits

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Seriously Fack You Damon....By Unionist logic because my dad has little "pure gaelic blood"(even though his family has lived here in more or less wretched conditions for centuries) and my mum isnt...
Are you to presume than that your force yourself for patriotic reasons to watch kiddie porn?
And what would they have made of you and your custard! along with your sexual perversion before the 90s????
And we all know the post about her affection for the Gardai...remember wassums people in glass houses shoudlnt throw stones. Part of growing up is letting go of the hatred, you seem to have done that wonderfully....isnt that right Seven Stars?

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
 

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Its come more and more to my attention that people my own age (mid to late 20s- those below us being even worse) lack a serious attitude to life (outside of maybe career issues)....And whats worse even pride themselves on a generally infantile and superficial attitude to existence. Its not uncommon to see presumably hetrosexual boys (and deliberately dont say men) behaving like the worst type of 14 yr old girl. Why is this? What outside of a thorough going dictatorship can be done to reserve this trend?

Because certain, negative elements of liberalism, individualism, post-modernism and relativism have been adopted into mainstream culture, such as:

- You can do and be whatever you want unless it directly hurts someone else (and there is no other basis for ethics)
- Roles - which prescribe certain behaviours and responsibilities - are self-determined and fluid (i.e. you decide your role today and can change your mind about it tomorrow)
- Any one who tells you what to do is a power-tripping reactionary interfering with your rights
- Your job is separate to 'who you are' - leading to two separate (if overlapping) value-systems

All this would be fine if people would rationally determine their values and principles and consistently apply them even when it is difficult to do so. And many people do. But the general public trend is to succumb to short-term thinking, temptation and superficiality - encouraged by consumer marketing and infotainment. Hence infantile selfishness is confused with 'being yourself'. Gravitas is for your job and career prospects, exactly as you observe; giving the excuse to 'let go' and 'treat yourself' outside working hours.

BTW, I see the same characteristics creeping into my age-group (early 30s).

Solutions? Encouraging strong social relationships and participation in society from marriage/family to voluntary organisations to ongoing education, both without and within the workplace. To be part of a mutually-beneficial organisation is to take something - and the people involved - seriously, and to go beyond the individual.
 
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Because certain, negative elements of liberalism, individualism, post-modernism and relativism have been adopted into mainstream culture, such as:

- You can do and be whatever you want unless it directly hurts someone else (and there is no other basis for ethics)
- Roles - which prescribe certain behaviours and responsibilities - are self-determined and fluid (i.e. you decide your role today and can change your mind about it tomorrow)
- Any one who tells you what to do is a power-tripping reactionary interfering with your rights
- Your job is separate to 'who you are' - leading to two separate (if overlapping) value-systems

All this would be fine if people would rationally determine their values and principles and consistently apply them even when it is difficult to do so. And many people do. But the general public trend is to succumb to short-term thinking, temptation and superficiality - encouraged by consumer marketing and infotainment. Hence infantile selfishness is confused with 'being yourself'. Gravitas is for your job and career prospects, exactly as you observe; giving the excuse to 'let go' and 'treat yourself' outside working hours.

BTW, I see the same characteristics creeping into my age-group (early 30s).

Solutions? Encouraging strong social relationships and participation in society from marriage/family to voluntary organisations to ongoing education, both without and within the workplace. To be part of a mutually-beneficial organisation is to take something - and the people involved - seriously, and to go beyond the individual.
An interesting observation.
 

DJCB33

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I don't believe people do get offended by the idea of conforming. People conform all the time in their everyday lives. The original poster decides in his view that "young people" do not meet his criteria for "taking life seriously".

What does he know about these people, their thought process or anything else. Its a rush to judgement by an arrogant twit who assumes he is better than the "boorish" young people he comes across.

People have no problem conforming, that’s the problem. They conform to the X Factor, reality TV, Americanised version of the way the emotions should be displayed.
 

SevenStars

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Isn't that the age group who suffer most from suicide???

I would suspect that it isn't 'cool' to have a serious perspective on life, in some quarters.

I truly believe it is an image that a lot of this age group believe they have to protray, unfortunately. Some of them are paying the cost, with their lives.
Yes but Gravitas, seriousness, etc doesnt equal being being depressed at all.

Infact the rising suicide rates are in all probablity due to the increasing infantile and superfical approach to life. The lack of heroic "role models" and aspirations present in the prevailing culture. Our socitey increasingly doesnt supply literally "reasons to live for".
 

videoDrone

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Might be a clue here:

“Out of the nursery into the college and back to the nursery; there’s your intellectual pattern for the past five centuries of more. School is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored. Life is immediate, the job counts, pleasure lies about after work. Why learn anything save pressing buttons, pulling switches, fitting nuts and bolts?” – Captain Beatty in Fahrenheit 451
The Burning Platform
 

SevenStars

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All this would be fine if people would rationally determine their values and principles and consistently apply them even when it is difficult to do so. And many people do. But the general public trend is to succumb to short-term thinking, temptation and superficiality - encouraged by consumer marketing and infotainment. Hence infantile selfishness is confused with 'being yourself'. Gravitas is for your job and career prospects, exactly as you observe; giving the excuse to 'let go' and 'treat yourself' outside working hours.
BTW, I see the same characteristics creeping into my age-group (early 30s).

Solutions? Encouraging strong social relationships and participation in society from marriage/family to voluntary organisations to ongoing education, both without and within the workplace. To be part of a mutually-beneficial organisation is to take something - and the people involved - seriously, and to go beyond the individual.
Great post. Thank you.
 
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