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Why do we need foreign media to get unbiased reporting on Corrib

fiannafailure

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Is it possible for the Irish media to defend their biased reporting on the Corrib fiasco.

How can international media manage to come to a completely different view of the same events.

Is the reporting stage managed by the state, and if so, Why.
 


Wakeupcall

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Yeah - Link or source to foreign media please! FFS its the point of your post, dont be so lazy! :)
 

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This story was first printed in Village, a small circulatin Irish current affairs magazine. It's since been posted on Znet (California), Silobreaker, WIP, Alfred Donovan's US-based 'Royal Dutch Shell' and a bunch of other international web-based news outlets.

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticlePrint/21622

Irish journalists are sh1t scared of this story, it seems. Mark Garavan, a spokesperson for Shell to Sea has said that he knows for a fact that many have been leaned on for reporting the facts as they really are - some threatened with their jobs and one high profile journalist actually lost his. The forces behind the Corrib scandal are vicious and ruthless.
 

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This story was first printed in Village, a small circulatin Irish current affairs magazine. It's since been posted on Znet (California), Silobreaker, WIP, Alfred Donovan's US-based 'Royal Dutch Shell' and a bunch of other international web-based news outlets.

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticlePrint/21622

Irish journalists are sh1t scared of this story, it seems. Mark Garavan, a spokesperson for Shell to Sea has said that he knows for a fact that many have been leaned on for reporting the facts as they really are - some threatened with their jobs and one high profile journalist actually lost his. The forces behind the Corrib scandal are vicious and ruthless.
So the story was first printed in an Irish journal, or in other words, foreigners are relying on Irish journalists.
 

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So the story was first printed in an Irish journal, or in other words, foreigners are relying on Irish journalists.
You miss the point. The high circulation national media will not touch this story with anything like the degree of rigour that it should. The editor of the alternative press Village magazine is a departure from the norm. Scott Millar for the Irish Examiner and Lorna Siggins for the Irish Times are probably the best. They offer no opinion either way but they do at least include ALL of the facts, generally speaking. But their reports are always buried deep in the paper/website versions.

Consider what the outcry would be if one of the Corrib protestors had scuttled the boat of two Shell security men and left them in a raft on the Atlantic coast. The coverage would have been front page news with furious editorials and acres of opinion columns offering wall-to-wall condemnation and outrage. The other way around and most of the media has gone out of its way to bury the filthy crimes committed on both Pat O' Donnell and Willie Corduff. I am in no doubt that these crimes were committed with the full knowledge and connivance of our government, Shell and their mercenaries n Ireland.
 

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Maybe the Irish media are reflecting the opinion of the majority of the Irish people with regard to what is going on in Mayo. Just because it doesn't suit the S to S supporters on this site, does not mean that its proof of a conspiracy. Why should a vocal minority get their way?
 

fiannafailure

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Maybe the Irish media are reflecting the opinion of the majority of the Irish people with regard to what is going on in Mayo. Just because it doesn't suit the S to S supporters on this site, does not mean that its proof of a conspiracy. Why should a vocal minority get their way?
Wombat I am not a S 2 S supporter, but I dont like what is going on.
 

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Maybe the Irish media are reflecting the opinion of the majority of the Irish people with regard to what is going on in Mayo. Just because it doesn't suit the S to S supporters on this site, does not mean that its proof of a conspiracy. Why should a vocal minority get their way?
THe media are influencing the opinion of Irish people. The Press are reporting misinformation from the Gardai as fact. That might seem to be quite a reasonalble thing to do, but when you consider that they published a lot of sceptical articles in relation to Willie Corduff's beating, while the Guardian walked in and published video of his bruises. When there was a direct conflict between what the Gardai sais and what Corduff, a reputable citizen, said, it would not have killed them to go and check it out.

I suppose the first question is who owns the Irish newspapers? RTE don't even have the excuse of a biased proprietor. How come we can get reports from Charlie Bird on a dude ranch, but they can't find their way down to Rossport to do a proper investigation?
 

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if anything, the irish media have bent over backwards to give the shell to sea protesters huge amounts of airtime and print.

the only largely-critical piece on the protesters has been paul william's documentary on tv3.
i think everything else has either been pro-protesters or evenly balanced.

the reporting by rte and others of the incident during the week regarding the arrest of the gentleman on the fishing boat was farcical for the amount that of credence which was given his version of events without any mention of the garda version of events leading to the arrest

just because you don't agree with the decision of the planners doesnt mean that there are underhand tactics being used by shell or the government.

why will no-one ask the protesters for facts to back up their case.

its a matter of liquids and pipes and pressures and combustion. it should be simple chemistry and physics to prove that the pipeline is dangerous.

obviously the chemistry and physics stack up in favour of giving permission to the scheme.

the debate over royalties is a separate issues
 

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if anything, the irish media have bent over backwards to give the shell to sea protesters huge amounts of airtime and print.

the only largely-critical piece on the protesters has been paul william's documentary on tv3.
i think everything else has either been pro-protesters or evenly balanced.

the reporting by rte and others of the incident during the week regarding the arrest of the gentleman on the fishing boat was farcical for the amount that of credence which was given his version of events without any mention of the garda version of events leading to the arrest

just because you don't agree with the decision of the planners doesnt mean that there are underhand tactics being used by shell or the government.

why will no-one ask the protesters for facts to back up their case.

its a matter of liquids and pipes and pressures and combustion. it should be simple chemistry and physics to prove that the pipeline is dangerous.

obviously the chemistry and physics stack up in favour of giving permission to the scheme.

the debate over royalties is a separate issues
I've not seen any good reporting on the technical issues, have you?
 

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but when you consider that they published a lot of sceptical articles in relation to Willie Corduff's beating, while the Guardian walked in and published video of his bruises.
your own arguement doesnt stack up

bruises are evidence of an injury, they are not evidence of how that injury occured
 

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When there was a direct conflict between what the Gardai sais and what Corduff, a reputable citizen, said, it would not have killed them to go and check it out.
are you implying the gardai aren't reputable?

the gardai are videoing and recording so much of their own interaction with protestors and the garda ombudsman commission are all over mayo.

the stats on the complaints against gardai in mayo were reported last month, and there were 0 findings against gardai.

hard evidence speaks for itself
 

bprob

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I've not seen any good reporting on the technical issues, have you?
does anyone honestly expect a newspaper to fill its pages with data tables and graphs? they are losing enough customers currently as it is

the irish times and irish examiner have had good summaries.

anyone who wants more info need only look at the bord pleannala reports.

i'm no expert on the physics and chemistry, but it convinced me
 

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are you implying the gardai aren't reputable?

the gardai are videoing and recording so much of their own interaction with protestors and the garda ombudsman commission are all over mayo.

the stats on the complaints against gardai in mayo were reported last month, and there were 0 findings against gardai.

hard evidence speaks for itself
Here's something for you.

The Department of Transport confirmed last night that no order had been issued for a 500-metre exclusion zone around the Solitaire. It has issued only one marine notice on work in the bay, which makes no reference to an exclusion zone. Gardaí have said they are policing an exclusion zone “passed by the department”.

Who is lying?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0627/1224249653722.html
 


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