Why does China get such a pass from our media?

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Am under time constraints but the thread title is self explanatory. I'm hoping for a thread where the creeping acceptance of China as a benevolent influence on world affairs is challenged. The projected surface image may be shiny but scratch beneath it and deeply sinister strains of state repression are easily discernible. What is as disconcerting is the pass given to China by our liberal media.As just one example-imagine the epidemic of outrage that would have occurred if Trump had pulled a similar stunt with America's Muslim population as the link presented below.Where's Bob Geldof when he's needed? Something is up people!!
One million Chinese people 'move into Muslim homes to report on Islamic or unpatriotic beliefs' | The Independent
 


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Am under time constraints but the thread title is self explanatory. I'm hoping for a thread where the creeping acceptance of China as a benevolent influence on world affairs is challenged. The projected surface image may be shiny but scratch beneath it and deeply sinister strains of state repression are easily discernible. What is as disconcerting is the pass given to China by our liberal media.As just one example-imagine the epidemic of outrage that would have occurred if Trump had pulled a similar stunt with America's Muslim population as the link presented below.Where's Bob Geldof when he's needed? Something is up people!!
One million Chinese people 'move into Muslim homes to report on Islamic or unpatriotic beliefs' | The Independent
China is well on the way to replacing the US as the worlds superpower and everyone wants a piece of that action.
 

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"One former inmate claimed Muslim inmates were forced to eat pork and drink alcohol."

Reminds me of the treatment of the Jews and Moslems by the Spanish after the conquest of Andalusia.

Also....

China's hidden camps - BBC News
 

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One thing that unites pretty much all sides is the worlds common aversion to extremist Islam.
 

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I see some posts have been removed. Comparison in forms of manipulation, observation, spying and control in the west and in China doesn't seem to have met with moderator approval.

The answer to the OPs question of course is that China is the emergent superpower. They've been given no more or less a pass than any other superpower of the past.

And the US was not only given a pass but allowed to beam unmitigated propaganda about its society for decades by the media.

There's no real difference in global realpolitik between the US, Russia or China. And the Mainstream News in the west will do what its advertisers want, just as quickly as an administrator in the Chinese state civil service will do exactly what the Politburo wants in Beijing.

Who knows with Russia? It is the same as the US, a mix of criminal cartels and investment banks. So there again it is whatever the corporate culture wants.

I guess the message is never mind the media. It is predominantly a sort of parasitical servant anyway to one interest or another so whether that is the US, Russia, China or whoever doesn't really matter.
 

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Why were posts removed?
 

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Access to markets and money. China is an anti-democratic totalitarian dictatorship. Blame neoliberal policies.
 

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Access to markets and money. China is an anti-democratic totalitarian dictatorship. Blame neoliberal policies.
China has actually become rather good at neoliberal policies. They certainly have a sophisticated understanding of what large cash reserves can buy you (re the new Silk Road project).

It is a very interesting stage economically in China. Technically they are still a communist state with centralised control but I would not make the mistake of assuming they don't understand the free market system. They are using it well enough as far as I can see.

And they maintain direct intervention as a possibility to cool it off were it needs to be cooled off- which is a mistake the west made in allowing unregulated capitalism to run amok.

Wouldn't it be something of an irony if it turned out the most efficient model of controlled endeavour in the form of capitalism was finally cracked by what is politically a socialist system?
 

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Why were posts removed?
I posted a few posts pointing out that western systems get a hell of a pass in terms of social control methods and that the Chinese were at least honest about what they are doing.

From memory one post contained a line about Sky and Virgin in the west and the likelihood of them planning TV packages (with a lot of data capture from new HD TVs humming away in the background and packaging that data back to HQ where they sell/share it with retail organisations and 'public organisations'). I referred to the distraction package for a certain social demographic as the 'A55hole' package, to demonstrate the sort of soft manipulation through consumer packaging in the west.

Whereas the Chinese at least send a spy with a gun in his baggage. It is the difference between direct and indirect manipulation.

This post will probably disappear as well under the DacencyRegime(c).
 

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Access to markets and money. China is an anti-democratic totalitarian dictatorship. Blame neoliberal policies.
The planned "social credit" system does seem something very much out a dystopian scifi novel. Though, no doubt, we'll eventually get some watered down "commercial"/governmental version of it in the West eventually too (with "protections" :) ). The Chinese seem big into AI technologies also (seem intent in combining AI facial technologies with CCTV). Saw some article with police there with smart glasses with built-in cameras linked to such facial recognition technology and state databases (could recognize "persons of interest"). That technology will be developed in the West too, of course, even if used in a somewhat different and more commercial way (with "protections" :) too).
 

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Why? They’re on the other side of the world and haven’t put the boot into us yet. I don’t think too many people in the media or anywhere else consider them a force for good.
 

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The planned "social credit" system does seem something very much out a dystopian scifi novel. Though, no doubt, we'll eventually get some watered down "commercial"/governmental version of it in the West eventually too (with "protections" :) ). The Chinese seem big into AI technologies also (seem intent in combining AI facial technologies with CCTV). Saw some article with police there with smart glasses with built-in cameras linked to such facial recognition technology and state databases (could recognize "persons of interest"). That technology will be developed in the West too, of course, even if used in a somewhat different and more commercial way (with "protections" :) too).
It is already in use in the west via security system cameras in urban areas. All we need now are TVs and household appliances with mini-cameras inside and it would be entirely technologically possible to maintain a database on a whole population whether they are out and about or at home.

Down to which room in the house you are in, what your eating habits are, what you watch, read, listen to on the radio, what time you go to bed, what time you get up. What consumer products you use in daily life.

I attended two meetings recently. One was on Data Protection and GDPR issues. The other was a project in which a major company is planning to collect huge amounts of data from televisions linked to the 'net. It might be nice to have google available on your TV and YouTube and all that but it should be remembered that that communication pipe works two ways.

My point about the difference in the Chinese method of sending a state agent to openly live in minority cultural areas is that the same thing happens in the west but that the agent concerned is invisible.

At no point in the meeting about the project to gain large amounts of data from now hooked up to the 'net TV sets was GDPR, Data Protection or consumer protection mentioned in any way.
 

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Site insecurity or a mod's brainfart?
No idea. Not a biggie but a minor annoyance that a valid point in comparing social control methods in China and in the west could just be disappeared because someone takes offence or thinks it wasn't on topic or whatever other reason. just a minor annoyance that I had to re-write it.

Logically, a mod could have taken offence at my use of the proposed term for a certain entertainment package from a media company ('A55hole' package) where I pointed out we are nearly at the stage of social demographic strata deciding your consumer packages- endless ballroom dancing competitions and Celebrity Incest and that kind of wallpaper becomes the oxycontin for the dumb.

People in the ethnic minorities in China in remote parts of that geographic monolith probably aren't as exposed to it as we are in the west at this point but that's why the Chinese send a government agent to live among them. They aren't stupified into indolence by Celebrity Ballroom Cakes or whatever-the ****************************** is occupying the mindless of the nation at the moment.

Maybe distribution of airborne tranquilliser is on the way for viewers of Dave TV. Maybe it is already here. We don't need no stinkin' government agent at our meetings. Mainly because no one is at the meetings because Ballroom Cake-Mix is on.
 

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I hear Ant is available. Give him a gun and send him to Liverpool to report on union meetings. Should keep him from brooding on his multi-millionaire problems.
 

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It is already in use in the west via security system cameras in urban areas. All we need now are TVs and household appliances with mini-cameras inside and it would be entirely technologically possible to maintain a database on a whole population whether they are out and about or at home.

Down to which room in the house you are in, what your eating habits are, what you watch, read, listen to on the radio, what time you go to bed, what time you get up. What consumer products you use in daily life.

I attended two meetings recently. One was on Data Protection and GDPR issues. The other was a project in which a major company is planning to collect huge amounts of data from televisions linked to the 'net. It might be nice to have google available on your TV and YouTube and all that but it should be remembered that that communication pipe works two ways.

My point about the difference in the Chinese method of sending a state agent to openly live in minority cultural areas is that the same thing happens in the west but that the agent concerned is invisible.

At no point in the meeting about the project to gain large amounts of data from now hooked up to the 'net TV sets was GDPR, Data Protection or consumer protection mentioned in any way.
Well the difference is in the west, we welcome the dragoons in.

The dragonnade was originally a means of ensuring minority populations were kept in terror, because soldiers were billeted on them.

I am almost beyond this point. When the event horizon occurs, and it will, the machines will start talking to each other, and all our little human efforts to control each other will be totally pointless.

We had our innings.
 

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I am almost beyond this point. When the event horizon occurs, and it will, the machines will start talking to each other, and all our little human efforts to control each other will be totally pointless.

We had our innings.

:geek:
Geez Comrade, never took you for a cricket fan! On a serious note, our Chinese Comrades are getting very uppity in the Party,
even talk of reconnoitering the Estate and bunker for further incursions in to Europe...:redface: lol
 


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