Why does China get such a pass from our media?

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The lefties have a lingering fondness for China because of its communist associations. The fact that the media is 99% leftist explains it.
 


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The lefties have a lingering fondness for China because of its communist associations. The fact that the media is 99% leftist explains it.
Neoliberal policies of deregulation, free markets, globalised capital, cheap labour etc. is why an authoritarian, anti-democratic dictatorship like China has influence in the world today.

Policies embraced by right-wing figures like Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan to enable the 1% to say rich.

Whatever 'leftist' influence you imagine pales in comparison.

PS - Neoliberal doesn't mean 'left' because it contains the world 'liberal'. :roll:
 

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I think my post was removed. I pointed out some of the Lefts sympathy for former Communist regimes. The WP in the past had ties to them.
 

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I think my post was removed. I pointed out some of the Lefts sympathy for former Communist regimes. The WP in the past had ties to them.
It has been well documented. Perhaps some of the mods are Stickies.
 

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Shocking stuff. Point of thread is to expose how different the coverage would be if this variety of foolishness was going on in US or Saudi Arabia even. Media hysteria is markedly absent when it comes to our Chinese friends. Irish Times had China coverage all last week that could have doubled as an advertorial it was so gushing.
 

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Shocking stuff. Point of thread is to expose how different the coverage would be if this variety of foolishness was going on in US or Saudi Arabia even. Media hysteria is markedly absent when it comes to our Chinese friends. Irish Times had China coverage all last week that could have doubled as an advertorial it was so gushing.
I suspect there’s a tribal element there in addition to anything else. Our expectations of China on the rights front are low.
 

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I suspect there’s a tribal element there in addition to anything else. Our expectations of China on the rights front are low.
Yeah---but don't think that's good enough given China's increasing global reach and aspirations.
 
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It is a startling notion that any superpower tries to increase its global reach and aspirations in order to be of benefit to the world. I had always assumed it was motivated by a certain self-interest.

It was certainly the case with both the United States and the Soviet Union. Why should we expect Beijing to be any different?
 

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It is a startling notion that any superpower tries to increase its global reach and aspirations in order to be of benefit to the world. I had always assumed it was motivated by a certain self-interest.

It was certainly the case with both the United States and the Soviet Union. Why should we expect Beijing to be any different?
If you can post me a link of US historically harvesting prisoner's organs for profits or gulaging Muslims then I'll be glad to read?That's the point. US would not get away with this type of oppression.
 

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Yeah---but don't think that's good enough given China's increasing global reach and aspirations.
This isn't Africa. They're not telling us what to do yet. There'll be grumbling soon enough, don't worry.
 

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If you can post me a link of US historically harvesting prisoner's organs for profits or gulaging Muslims then I'll be glad to read?That's the point. US would not get away with this type of oppression.
With the price of healthcare in the US you'd have to auction a kidney in order to get an ingrown toenail operation. As for 'gulaging muslims' does Guantanamo Bay ring any bells?
 

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Am under time constraints but the thread title is self explanatory. I'm hoping for a thread where the creeping acceptance of China as a benevolent influence on world affairs is challenged. The projected surface image may be shiny but scratch beneath it and deeply sinister strains of state repression are easily discernible. What is as disconcerting is the pass given to China by our liberal media.As just one example-imagine the epidemic of outrage that would have occurred if Trump had pulled a similar stunt with America's Muslim population as the link presented below.Where's Bob Geldof when he's needed? Something is up people!!
One million Chinese people 'move into Muslim homes to report on Islamic or unpatriotic beliefs' | The Independent
Because the media is communist.
 

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This is such a childish mentality and encouraged by intellectual children like Trump. Essentially it says anyone who disagrees with my world view is a Commie.

The emotional intelligence of such brain-grinding insights is somewhere between 8 and 11 years of age.
 

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The OP presupposes that there is a huge group of people in the world, his or her enemy, who are deeply engaged in trying to promote emergent China as a benevolent actor on the world stage.

This is just paranoid bullsh*t.

Those of us capable of thinking beyond black-hat 'bad' and white-hat 'good' levels of analysis are well aware that China's emerging status is neither inherently good or inherently bad. It is just reality and it depends entirely on what China does with its position in world affairs.

And anyone who thinks China is currently some sort of Maoist cadre of billions sneakily and temporarily just using capitalist tools to promote the cause of socialism around the world is a moron and deeply uninformed about the changes in China and its engagement with the rest of the world since the 1990s.

I guess some people need the 'reds under the bed' mentality in order to be able to deal with the world at all in any vaguely ambulatory way.
 

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If you can post me a link of US historically harvesting prisoner's organs for profits or gulaging Muslims then I'll be glad to read?That's the point. US would not get away with this type of oppression.
China’s westward expansion has many parallels to the events that transpired in North America in previous centuries.
 

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China is well on the way to replacing the US as the worlds superpower and everyone wants a piece of that action.
It must present a terrible choice for Ms Coppinger: criticise a Communist party or dont stand up for Muslims.
 

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China is well on the way to replacing the US as the worlds superpower and everyone wants a piece of that action.
That's pretty much the height of it, also China largely keeps it's nastiness internal (at least for now) I don't think they've invaded another country since the late 1970s.
 

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Most interesting thing about China is the attempt to balance capitalism and social control, the latter being an essential part of a control economy.

When the capital bubble around housing stock began to get out of control in mainland China a few years back the Chinese government intervened directly in the market and despite the squawks of the free market contingent basically popped the bubble before it got out of hand.

That says to me that they understand the risks of bubble economies a hell of a lot better than a few western governments I could name.

The Chinese may surprise everyone and devise a blend of free market economics and regulatory control that has evaded all western governments since Adam Smith were a lad.

I wouldn't bet against it either.

There is a horrible tendency in the west to assume China is 'learning' capitalism. It was doing capitalism long before the west learned to spell the word.

Something that always springs to mind when on this subject. In the 1980s every now and then a Chinese airforce pilot would defect in his MiG and land in Taiwan to claim asylum. Every time that happened western military would swarm all over the MiG and analyse every part and piece of construction.

It was popular at one time for the technicians to shake their heads and scoff at the amount of wooden panelling and certain basic materials used in Chinese MiGs and it was assumed they were off the pace in terms of technology.

Until one particular technician analysed the components in a different way and pointed out that with EM pulses in the atmosphere in the event of nuclear war and other disruptive particles that the Chinese MiGs would stay in the air longer than everyone else's comparable craft because the west's craft would disintegrate around the pilots because of the rubberised and plastic materiel involved.

Dismiss Chinese strategic and tactical thinking at your own risk... they are not fools.
 


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