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Why does Dublin not have a Holocaust Memorial?


Con Gallagher

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Why doesn't Dublin have an official/public memorial/statue to all the victims of the Holocaust?
Should it construct one now?
Where should it be?
What form should it take?

The merits/morality of Neutrality in the Second World War is one argument which people can have. But surely that fact alone cannot explain why Dublin does not have an official and public Holocaust memorial?
Is the omission by reason of Ireland's amoral reaction to those suffering from the second world war? (From a speech last year by Minister Alan Shatter)
Irish minister admits for first time that Jews fleeing Nazis were denied visas in 1930s by 'morally bankrupt' regime | Mail Online

That the Jewish population in Dublin is quite small is another non-consideration. Other communities including homosexuals, Poles, disabled and Roma, live in this city and the persecution of those social groups should also be remembered in a public memorial.

The Holocaust survivors are becoming fewer and fewer and there appears to be an increase in the prevalence of Holocaust denial. A statue, piece of art or other public space dedicated to the victims could act as a timely reminder to all if the horror which was inflicted on those social groups - with the Jewish population being the foremost who suffered in number and the fact that they as a group were targeted for extermination.

The other point of such a memorial is to remind people of the complicity of ordinary people in the Holocaust. This was one of my lasting memories from leaving Auschwitz - once the sheer horror subsided. This was the work of one psychopath and his close henchmen. It required prison guards who clocked out each evening to have a meal with their family. Architects, builders, local officials oversaw its construction. Bakers, drapers, farmers supplied it. Doctors undertook vile experiments. Local bars and restaurants and business thrived on the income derived from the large number of people earning their wage from it. Train drivers and transport workers delivered the victims while many ordinary people gave up those for slaughter.

Edit: this evening the 27th January, a memorial service will be held in the Mansion House in the Round Room. DCC have hosted this even since 2003 when he began under Lord Mayor Dermot Lacey
http://www.98fm.com/2013/category-news-sport/holocaust-memorial-day-in-dublin/

Other cities:
List of Holocaust memorials and museums - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eg Neutral Sweden
http://m.thelocal.se/6214/20070126/
http://chgs.umn.edu/histories/wallenberg/memorial.html




General information
The Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Victims Killed
Jews 5.9 million
Soviet POWs 2–3 million
Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million
Romani 220,000–1,500,000
Disabled 200,000–250,000
Freemasons 80,000-200,000
Slovenes 20,000–25,000
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000
Jehovah's
Witnesses 2,500–5,000

And from Ireland's only public memorial (in Listowel)
Holocaust Education Trust - Ireland & the Holocaust

Go home from this place and tell your children and your grandchildren and your great-grandchildren that today in Listowel, you looked into eyes that witnessed the most cataclysmic events ever unleashed by mankind upon mankind. Tell them that you met people who will still be remembered and still talked about and still wept over 10,000 years from now – because if they are not, there will be no hope for us at all. The Holocaust happened and it can happen again, and every one of us, if only out of our own sense of self-preservation, has a solemn duty to ensure that nothing like it ever occurs again.
 
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Astral Peaks

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Oh dear..........................................
 
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Why should it ?

Should we ask other countries to have a Famine memorial to Irish Famine victims ?

Could we have a Armenian memorial to Turkish Genocide ?

Or

one to Stalins victims ?

Or

One to Native Americans

or

Mao's victims

Irish Govts responsibility is to look after Irish Citizens.
 

ruserious

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I would guess because we were not directly involved with it and if a memorial were built back in DeV's years, it would be a sign of our support of one side against another (and yes, I know about those condolences....) Historical legacy then prevented one from being developed.
A famine in China in the 50's and 60's killed over 25million yet is almost completely unknown.
Where would you put the memorial? Or would you include in an already established memorial centre?
Irish people were killed in the holocaust so, yes, I agree something should be developed.
 

FloatingVoterTralee

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No, because Ireland had nothing to do with the Holocaust, and if we start with this, we'll have to build a memorial to every genocide that we had nothing to do with.
That's precisely why we need one, to highlight our failure to offer asylum to a greater number of Jewish refugees during the War.
 

niall78

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Perhaps the fact that the State had nothing to do with bringing an end to the Holocaust is a compelling reason to have such a memorial.
The State had nothing to do with bringing an end to any genocide in any time period.

Why should we have a memorial to one genocide and not the rest?
 

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Having visited Holocaust museums in London, Berlin and Washington... it is important that it's never forgotten and that history is not allowed to be denied or rewritten... imo.

And of those 3, the London one (in the Imperial War Museum) was the one that hits hardest and makes you think... or at least it did for me...

Regarding a Holocaust memorial in Dublin... I'm neither particularly for or against it... a general 'Peace' monument may be more appropriate seeing as we're 'neutral'...

Is there a Holocaust memorial in most cities? Madrid, Rome, Lisbon for example?
 

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That's precisely why we need one, to highlight our failure to offer asylum to a greater number of Jewish refugees during the War.
How ?

Given no movement from Europe outwards during war then how exactly were we to look after Polish Jews from rural Poland who had no money, means of transportarion or idea about Ireland.
 

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It's more important to have a Holocaust Memorial Day than it is to have a physical representation.
 

niall78

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It's more important to have a Holocaust Memorial Day than it is to have a physical representation.
It is important to have a genocide memorial day in my opinion. All genocides from all time periods. I don't think it helps peoples understanding of genocide to focus on one particular genocide in one particular time period which I feel a Holocaust Memorial Day does.
 

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How ?

Given no movement from Europe outwards during war then how exactly were we to look after Polish Jews from rural Poland who had no money, means of transportarion or idea about Ireland.
Dev could have orchestrated a building boom. Those Polish are fine masons.
 

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It is important to have a genocide memorial day in my opinion. All genocides from all time periods. I don't think it helps peoples understanding of genocide to focus on one particular genocide in one particular time period which I feel a Holocaust Memorial Day does.
I think forcing people to remember something would build resentment over time. A statue would allow people to go and see if they want.
 

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Tokenism. There's too much of that in this State as it is. Why give the Jews a memorial/statue in a country that has nothing to do with what happened. The Jews have already been given their own artificial State on the back of the Holocaust. Old Testament planning permission me hole.
 

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No its not.

People can remember if they so wish but the collectivisation of guilt is another PC idea gone made.
I made no reference to a collectivisation of guilt. I'm suggesting that it's beneficial that what passes as civilisation should remind itself just how fragile a thing it is , especially in the face of concerted efforts to either deny , minimalise or appear on political platforms with those who do.
 

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I think forcing people to remember something would build resentment over time. A statue would allow people to go and see if they want.
this is what you would get

 

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