Why does Ireland lack a liberal party?

Breanainn

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It seems strange that, in contrast to the majority of Western European legislatures, Ireland lacks a party that could be described as either classical or social liberal. Granted FF officially belongs to ALDE, while both FG and Labour have elements that could be so described to varying degrees, but no-one has claimed the mantle since the dissolution of the PDs in the last decade. Of course, the Lib Dems and Germany's FDP demonstrate that it is possible to satisfy both strands of liberalism to varying proportions, but could a fiscally prudent centrist option have electoral potential?
 


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Because Ireland is Neo-Liberal.

And a few paleo-conservatives, but mainly in Kerry.
 

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FF and FG embrace light touch regulation and open borders, which are key tenets of Classical Liberalism (as opposed to Left-Liberalism). Both however resist reducing the power of the Church, and only go along with it when forced by coalition deals with leftwing parties. There is however a generational and urban-rural split on social issues within FG, as exemplified by Eoghan Murphy TDs criticism of the Swedish model as unworkable.

I consider Labour to be a socially liberal party except their support for the repressive Swedish Model.

Ireland doesn't really do "ideology" apart from Irish Republicanism and Catholic social conservatism and opposition to both. As for why this is the case: the lack of urbanisation until relatively recently in history made for a weak urban intellectual movement (until perhaps the 1970s), and meant social life was largely based around the Church and the village pub (closed on 'Holy' days).
 
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Al the mainstream parties in Ireland support the free market, the EU, and the handing over of
kids to be raised by gays. Why do we need another one?
 

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Finally. Someone who understands the meaning of the word liberal and doesn't think it means being leftwing like the americanized folks on the interweb do.

I think a lot of the basic ideas of liberalism are accepted by a few Irish parties, but you're right there are no parties in the Dáil that are explicitly liberal in the way that the PDs or the FDP were. It seems to be going out of fashion around the world at the moment judging from their many electoral failures.
 

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FF and FG embrace light touch regulation and open borders, which are key tenets of Classical Liberalism (as opposed to Left-Liberalism). Both however resist reducing the power of the Church, and only go along with it when forced by coalition deals with leftwing parties. There is however a generational and urban-rural split on social issues within FG, as exemplified by Eoghan Murphy TDs criticism of the Swedish model as unworkable.

I consider Labour to be a socially liberal party except their support for the repressive Swedish Model.

Ireland doesn't really do "ideology" apart from Irish Republicanism and Catholic social conservatism and opposition to both. As for why this is the case: the lack of urbanisation until relatively recently in history made for a weak urban intellectual movement (until perhaps the 1970s), and meant social life was largely based around the Church and the village pub (closed on 'Holy' days).
What is "repressive" about the Swedish model other than you hate it because it tends towards the socialist and works well?
 

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Because Irishism runs rife. Ireland is basically a State ran by the lads.
 

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Not exactly much of a 'classic liberal' tradition here. After independence the whole political and economic ideology was based on protectionism, insularity, anti-intellectualism and Catholicism. When the word 'liberal' came into vogue here in the 1980's it almost invariably referred to sexual and 'church/state' issues. 'Economic' liberalism eventually took over virtually without a debate in the 1990's, after the EEC put paid to protectionism in the 1970's and the bankruptcy of the 1980's discredited the whole way things had been done since the 20's. But it has no historical roots and FF and FG probably cater for whatever sections of the electorate feel affinity for it.
 

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What is "repressive" about the Swedish model other than you hate it because it tends towards the socialist and works well?
It's proved most attractive to foreign rapists anyway.
 

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What is "repressive" about the Swedish model other than you hate it because it tends towards the socialist and works well?
Im talking about the planned law to criminalise customers of adult prostitutes.
 

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Ireland lacks a Socially Liberal party??? What is this insanity?? Everyone of them are.

Ireland lacks a Socially Conservative party more like
 

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Does it?

Depends on definition of "liberal", I guess.

For now, in the European Parliament, we have:
The Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe Group (ALDE/ADLE) is the liberal–centrist political group of the European Parliament...

The pro-European platform of ALDE espouses neoliberal economics and support for European integration and the European single market.
Its membership includes Fianna Fáil and ... err ... Marian Harkin.

I'll accept correction, but I think FF would have preferred to be in the centre-right European People's Party — particularly so after David Cameron pulled his Tories out. But Fine Gael got there first.
 

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Bit controversial maybe but I always associate true liberalism with the protestant religion, ie Lutherans in Germany or puritans in the US. The auld soggy depressing Catholic church is not exactly conducive to entrepreneurial ideas.
 

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It seems strange that, in contrast to the majority of Western European legislatures, Ireland lacks a party that could be described as either classical or social liberal. Granted FF officially belongs to ALDE, while both FG and Labour have elements that could be so described to varying degrees, but no-one has claimed the mantle since the dissolution of the PDs in the last decade. Of course, the Lib Dems and Germany's FDP demonstrate that it is possible to satisfy both strands of liberalism to varying proportions, but could a fiscally prudent centrist option have electoral potential?
Because they know the rest of us are Populist and they are cheating, grabbing, liars and cowards.
 

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Bit controversial maybe but I always associate true liberalism with the protestant religion, ie Lutherans in Germany or puritans in the US. The auld soggy depressing Catholic church is not exactly conducive to entrepreneurial ideas.
Are you sure?
 

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Liberalism and conservatism ?? sure with millions of unskilled and illiterate people trying to get into the first world while robots are killing traditional jobs , social welfare spending off the scale no matter how much they hide it, huge national debt everywhere, stone age crazies roaming the streets of Western Europe attacking women and liberal fookwits in denial, sure it is only heading one way,,
 

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Ireland lacks a Socially Liberal party??? What is this insanity?? Everyone of them are.

Ireland lacks a Socially Conservative party more like
FF are social conservatives. The last time they were in power they tried to remove suicidal ideation as a legitimate reason to seek an abortion ffs. How borderline fascistic creepshow do you need?
 


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