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Why dont the SDLP contest elections in the south?


IrishWelshCelt

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Like SF they claim to be a nationalist/republican party whos primary aim is to secure a UI. However unlike SF they arent organised on an all Ireland basis, why?

As far as Im aware even some small parties like the socialist party contest in all 32 counties so why hasnt the SDLP made the electoral move down south?
 


O'Sullivan Bere

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Good question. How they fit maybe? If their platforms wind up too similar to other major parties, it doesn't provide a niche. Even then, though, they could provide alternative and improved candidates against other parties' candidates who might formally claim to be similar on platforms but bring more to the table in individual races such as charisma, CV, etc.
 

IrishWelshCelt

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Good question. How they fit maybe? If their platforms wind up too similar to other major parties, it doesn't provide a niche. Even then, though, they could provide alternative and improved candidates against other parties' candidates who might formally claim to be similar on platforms but bring more to the table in individual races such as charisma, CV, etc.
I think they would gain substantial support in the current state of affairs, many people are unhappy with our current government and SF is simply a party many would never consider voting for because of the troubles. What results is that people end up back with FF (as recent polls have shown) where they might not like them or their policies but are the default option.
 

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Because they are unicorns but too dumb to admit it...
 

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I think they would gain substantial support in the current state of affairs, many people are unhappy with our current government and SF is simply a party many would never consider voting for because of the troubles. What results is that people end up back with FF (as recent polls have shown) where they might not like them or their policies but are the default option.
SF is trying to corner the socialist minded working class types as well as eurosceptics, etc, and actually done quite well given their baggage. The youths are a big target market and didn't grow up in pre-GFA times so the 'new SF', if you will, fills and speaks to a certain type of voter in the post-Troubles world. And you're correct, the SDLP would IMO offer new choices and candidates to the mix, and it helps 'police' the system for efficiency and accountability as a competitor and option at the ballot box.
 

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Its pretty clear from the latest Spotlight poll that partitionist/apathetic NI Catholics are the bedrock of their support. It might help with the more hardline Nationalist voters but could push some of the moderates towards Alliance.
 
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between the bridges

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Its pretty clear from the latest Spotlight poll that partitionist/pathetic NI Catholics are the bedrock of their support. It might help with the more hardline Nationalist voters but could push some of the moderates towards Alliance.
Thats what i said...
 

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I edited to apathetic by the way. Didn't mean to type "pathetic". Sorry if anyone was offended... :eek:
 

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Who would be their electorate, they target the FF/Labour types within the Irish population up north what would they have to offer voters?
 

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From memory the S.D.L.P. had/has a loose affiliation to the FF mob. But there was a bit of aggro with some of the membership who are of a more Socialist bent. But then didn't Austin Curry find a new home in the FG mob. Come to think of it they don't know who they like.
 

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Think it`s more likely they will merge with either FF or Labour in the medium term. If they don`t gain a few seats at the next Assembly election, a merger will definitely be on the agenda.
John Cushnihan of the Alliance party stood and won a seat for Fine Gael in Munster several times.
Fine Gael seem to more likely Alliance bedfellows than the SDLP these days.
 

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You can rest easy InsideImDancing. You're not pathetic after all.
He he, or apathetic. The poll's out of date and say's nothing of the future. Otherwise, where's all the SDLP voters who don't aspire to a UI? Any I know, do.
 

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He he, or apathetic. The poll's out of date and say's nothing of the future. Otherwise, where's all the SDLP voters who don't aspire to a UI? Any I know, do.
The evidence from the Spotlight poll is that Catholics in the East, more middle-class, and older, are more partitionist, (perhaps because of a tradition of keeping their heads down?). Maybe the ones you know are in the West?

BTW Coleman at Large (Newstalk) discussing the "Northern Irish" identity after the news now.
 

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The evidence from the Spotlight poll is that Catholics in the East, more middle-class, and older, are more partitionist, (perhaps because of a tradition of keeping their heads down?). Maybe the ones you know are in the West?

BTW Coleman at Large (Newstalk) discussing the "Northern Irish" identity after the news now.
Saying you do not want a UI "tomorrow morning", does not mean you don't want one in the future when conditions are better. With better economic conditions, better, more stable, relations within the north and an idea of what a UI would look like, I think you'd find that these votes would be very much up for grabs. When the long-term question was asked in another poll, 37% of the north said they'd go for a UI. Ireland will be united de-facto or de-jure at some point, or a completely unknown compromise that is somewhere between the two.

I believe many Catholics are worried about stability if a UI was to materialise, just as many are in the south.

Consensus in the north is what is needed long term, whether that be devomax or something similar that brings all powers to the island.

Did you see MM speech on the north? If SF/FF can make the border an irrelevance, and SDLP/SF can get more powers from London, then, UK or not, British rule is effectively history.:) The trends are clear long term and a poll of 1000 people doesn't change that imo.

http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/02/27/micheal-martin-in-belfast-there-is-nothing-inevitable-about-peace-and-progress/
 

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I can't see the SDLP ever running throughout the ROI, but it'd be interesting to see how they'd fare in the border county constituencies, particularly in Donegal, Louth and Cavan-Monaghan. (assuming the boundary commission recommendations are implemented).
 

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The SDLP should either organise on an all-Ireland basis or merge with Fianna Fail (for example). They also should get a new leader. McDonnell is the antithesis of inspiring and he couldn't have a lower profile if he tried. I don't think party leaders win many votes for their party by being almost totally mediatically invisible...
 

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