Why Fianna Fail can cut the Minimum wage

realistic1

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I was discussing the recent proposal on cutting the minimum wage by one Euro with my local Fine Gael councillor and he told me the following is why they can take this measure. There is very few people on minimum wage who actually vote so it will not hit Fianna Fails falling vote anymore, it has also won Fianna Fail support among IBEC. Could this answer be that simple??
 


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We should cut the minimum wage altogether or at least significantly lower it to European standards.

This stupidity is keeping prices high!

Who would accept a job wth crap pay anyway....minimum wage does NOT protect the worker....hardly anyone is on the bloody thing anyway.
 

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Spot on. This is why pensioners were left untouched, they are core FF voters. This is why dole payments will be cut, most people on the dole would not vote for FF anyhow, etc,etc
 

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We should cut the minimum wage altogether or at least significantly lower it to European standards.

This stupidity is keeping prices high!

Who would accept a job wth crap pay anyway....minimum wage does NOT protect the worker....hardly anyone is on the bloody thing anyway.
Ask those on the dole queue.
 

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We should cut the minimum wage altogether or at least significantly lower it to European standards.

This stupidity is keeping prices high!

Who would accept a job wth crap pay anyway....minimum wage does NOT protect the worker....hardly anyone is on the bloody thing anyway.
What prices are being kept high?

Also, line 2 and 3 effectively contradict each other.
 

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It is ************************************************ to talk of competitivness and employment creation. Employers prsi should be cut and this would save costs of employers without affecting the money in the pockets of decent workers.. Cutting Min wage is wrong.
 

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The Spanish minimum wage is €2.97

Can we reduce it that low as Irish people seem to want to buy their cigarettes. medicines, food at Spanish prices.

Surely the costs of doing business would follow suit

Rent
Rates
Insurance
Waste
Telephone
Broadband
Light & heat
Software support
Bank interest
Bank fees
Bus fares
Credit card charges

Yeah right :(
 

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I was discussing the recent proposal on cutting the minimum wage by one Euro with my local Fine Gael councillor and he told me the following is why they can take this measure. There is very few people on minimum wage who actually vote so it will not hit Fianna Fails falling vote anymore, it has also won Fianna Fail support among IBEC. Could this answer be that simple??

Yes, thats the reality. Most people doing full time jobs on minimum wage cannot plan for the future and have little or no stake in society, so registering for a vote would never even occur to most of them. There are some students on minimum wages for part time jobs, but thats an entirely different kettle of fish.

Its typical cute hoorism on the part of maFFia.
 

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This is why dole payments will be cut, most people on the dole would not vote for FF anyhow, etc,etc
??? Dole payments will be cut, but only minimally. A core FF vote in the rural areas is from the FF welfare class, always was, we're talking about the permanently unemployed / unemployable FFkers. In recent years, their votes were bought before each election and EU vote by raising the dole. Just look at any FF canvas, always populated by a team of dole men. The anti PS policy is also very popular with the FF welfare class, it makes them feel superior while they sit at home with their feet up reading the star and watching sky. You're right about FFkers being too cute to work for only min. wage, so a cut there does not affect them, but pleases their publicans and hotel owners.
 
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FF has come under significant pressure from interest groups such as Vintners Federation Ireland, Irish Hotels Federation,Restaurent Association Ireland. Every TD and Senator was emailed in the lead up to the preparation of the Budget and Four Year Plan. It is somewhat ironic that IBEC welcomed the reduction. This organisation is funded by entities such as Bank of Ireland, AIB, ESB, FAS among others.
 

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The real agenda here is not the minimum wage but the renegotiation of wages by sector.
I believe the real plan is to eventually do away with the labour relations commission.
 

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We should cut the minimum wage altogether or at least significantly lower it to European standards.

This stupidity is keeping prices high!
Talking about minimum wage on its own is ... unwise, to put it mildly. It must be discussed in tandem with 1) proportionality to profit margins 2) commercial rent levels 3) energy costs - you can finish the list yourself.
 

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I think a few of you guys should come down from your pampered ivory celtic tiger mansions and look around you -
there are a lot of lowly payed contract workers (3/6 month renewable )
you dont think for one minute that the small employers of this country are not gonna go jumping on the bandwagon-and increase their profits by €1 per hour per employee on new 3 month contracts --

ahhhh sure we are a great bunch --
 

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you dont think for one minute that the small employers of this country are not gonna go jumping on the bandwagon-and increase their profits by €1 per hour per employee on new 3 month contracts --

ahhhh sure we are a great bunch --
Richard Bruton made a point on it, he said that it is naive to expect the cut in minimum wage to effect the drop in wages across economy.
He specifically mentioned professional classes. And I am totally on board with this.
Cutting minimum wage would in many cases push the profit margin up and not necessarily create more jobs that Ireland needs.
 

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Richard Bruton made a point on it, he said that it is naive to expect the cut in minimum wage to effect the drop in wages across economy.
He specifically mentioned professional classes. And I am totally on board with this.
Cutting minimum wage would in many cases push the profit margin up and not necessarily create more jobs that Ireland needs.
Above points are correct but there is a section in Irish society that does welcome this cut in minimum wage and Fianna Fail knows this.
 

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We should cut the minimum wage altogether or at least significantly lower it to European standards.

This stupidity is keeping prices high!

Who would accept a job wth crap pay anyway....minimum wage does NOT protect the worker....hardly anyone is on the bloody thing anyway.
Whilst there is not that many people on the actual minimum wage, if you were to ask the government in a question how many people are earning within 50c of the Minimum wage per hour, you might be suprised at the number - There will be a HELL of a lot more people who will have their wages cut than just the 2% on the minimum wage itself.
 

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The main reason is that our MW is now 20% higher than the UK and only wealthy Luxembourg has a higher MW in the EU. A one euro cut although welcome, is still not enough.
 


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