Why is Ireland so anti-semitic?


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... but the actual killing of Palestinians by Israel is far more deadly than the words of an elderly cleric thousands of miles away...
And no connection of course between the words of those elderly clerics, and the organisations ensconced in the territories waging Jihad for al-Quds.

All 'innocents'...

"... This village was named after the Prophet peace be upon him because of the presence of the Prophet Saleh inside the village, which is considered one of the most important historical monuments in Palestine. It is believed that the Prophet peace be upon him died in the village because of the tomb inside the shrine was said to the Prophet peace be upon him, but without assurances. This is because of conflicting beliefs between the city of Palestinian Ramle and areas in Saudi Arabia and others, but it is hard in the subject that the Prophet peace be upon him has a shrine located in the village of the Prophet Saleh...
... The village of Nabi Saleh took a great place in the Palestinian political history. It was during the first Intifada to announce the start of the Intifada when the first statement of the unified leadership of the Intifada came out from inside this small village and was one of the titles of the Palestinian steadfastness in the first and second intifadas. A martyr on the altar of freedom They: -
The martyr Mustafa Abdel Razzaq Tamimi
Martyr Bakr Ali Al - Tamimi
Martyr Abdul Muti Ahmed Tamimi
Martyr Ahmed Mousa Al - Tamimi
Martyr Atef Mahmoud Sarhan
Martyr Abdul Ghani Al - Tamimi
Martyr Sami Odeh Al - Tamimi
Martyr Rushdi Mohammed Al - Tamimi
Martyr Abdul Hafiz Tamimi
Martyr Awad Ismail Al - Tamimi
The martyr Taher Hassan al - Tamimi
Martyr Jihad Yousef Al-Tamimi
Martyr Anis Yousef Al - Tamimi
The martyr Asima Mohammed Tamimi
Wafaa Roshdy Al - Tamimi
Shahida Wadad Ismail Tamimi
The safe martyr Saad al - Tamimi
The most prominent of the prisoners of the village of Nabi Saleh are: - Dreams Tamimi: - captive prisoner was imprisoned for 11 years and released in the prisoner exchange deal between Israel and Hamas Tamimi had participated in a bombing in Jerusalem in the second intifada was sentenced by Israel for 1600 years and was released recently. Nizar al-Tamimi: He is the husband of the liberated prisoner Ahlam al-Tamimi and spent 18 years in the prisons of the Zionist occupation and was suffering from acute renal failure and was released in the exchange of prisoners. Said al-Tamimi: - He has been in prison for more than 19 years..
... And the martyrdom of the martyr Mustafa al-Tamimi in late 2011, the arrest of dozens and the threat of demolition of houses and the imposition of tight closures and night raids aimed at stopping the activities of the Prophet Saleh, which Israel considered by the press that it is a germ must be eliminated in the bud especially with lifting the ceiling claimed by the Popular Resistance Command in the Prophet...
... With the passage of days after the start of the popular resistance in the village of Nabi Saleh, Tamimi Press began to form a well-known and prestigious media platform, speaking on behalf of this village and its popular resistance and reaching its message to the world and working to document violations of the occupation. This media group was founded by the young man Mohammed Atallah Al-Tamimi, Journalist Hilmi al-Tamimi and photographer Bilal al-Tamimi..."
(from the Wiki page for the village of the Tamimi clan, before it was altered for an international audience (around 2013) to remove all of the religious and martyrdom references. - Wiki | Prophet Saleh (village)

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There is no discrimination against Jews in this country. Israel doesnt care about the many, many anti semitic acts (particularly vandalism) in the US because it has colonised the word "anti semitism" as criticism of its policies.
 

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There is no discrimination against Jews in this country.
That is generally true.* But what we have been mainly talking about, and highlighting, on the thread is a selective perception so extreme, and an accompanying rhetoric that is so invidious against Israeli Jews, right across the whole of Irish society, from governmental level right down to the lumpenproletariat, that there can be no other explanation for it but antisemitism, no doubt it may well be tacit and subconscious.

* Well as long as they don't 'get above themselves' like say Alan Shatter presumed to do.
 

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There is little doubt that Israelis see Ireland as one of the most anti-Jewish countries in the western world if not the entire non-arab world
Is it because of our Catholic culture which traditionally blamed Jews for the killing of Christ?
Is it because of our history of conflict and occupation by Britain (which is utterly different to the age old Jewish homeland in Israel)?
Or is it because of the prevalence of fake news generally - which seeks to break up the unity of Western civilisation?
Israel is surrounded by hostile Arab dictatorships most of whom indoctrinate their population into blaming Israel for their own brutality - so its never going to be easy for Israel - but despite that they do make great efforts to be even handed.
From the BDS campaign which seeks to destroy Israeli industry, the campaign to pressurise Sarah McTiernan into withdrawing from the Eurovision or the unprecedented Senate vote to ban Israeli imports into Ireland and many other anti Israel campaigns
We all know how corrupt and anti-democratic the Arab/Muslim world is..
So why are we doing this - to what should be our greatest ally?


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You are conflating a political ideology (Zionism) with a religion (Jewish).

When Irish people rightly complain out about Zionists doing something like using Irish passports to commit murder, this is a political complaint, not a religious complaint.

As antisemitism relates to the discrimination of a particular religion and not a political ideology, the premise of your OP is wrong.
 

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As antisemitism relates to the discrimination of a particular religion and not a political ideology...
They were discriminated on the basis of their racial characteristics in Nazi antisemitism, on the basis of their being "plutocrats intent on oppressing the humble people" in the European "socialism for dummies" antisemitism aound the time of the Dreyfus affair, and many other logics and rationales other than religious have been drawn on to justify various persecutions of Jews down through history, including the political.

(Neither are the Jewish people a community held together solely on the basis of religion, in fact this has become much less important than it once was.)
 

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You are conflating a political ideology (Zionism) with a religion (Jewish).

When Irish people rightly complain out about Zionists doing something like using Irish passports to commit murder, this is a political complaint, not a religious complaint.

As antisemitism relates to the discrimination of a particular religion and not a political ideology, the premise of your OP is wrong.
Problem is that this is how Israel sees us
If the worlds leading black civil rights group accused Ireland of being the most racist country in Europe then we would take them seriously
Likewise with Israel the Jewish State - when they say that we need to take a long hard look at ourselves
They don't just make these things up
 
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Well the votes at the UN General Assembly make it clear that Ireland speaks for the vast majority of world opinion on Palestine.
 

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Well the votes at the UN General Assembly make it clear that Ireland speaks for the vast majority of world opinion on Palestine.
But Israel singles out Ireland as the most antisemitic countries in Europe
What's in it for us to lead Europe taking the side of the Arabs in the Middle Eastern conflict?
It's not as if the Arabs champion human rights in the region
Far from it in truth
 

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But Israel singles out Ireland as the most antisemitic countries in Europe
What's in it for us to lead Europe taking the side of the Arabs in the Middle Eastern conflict?
It's not as if the Arabs champion human rights in the region
Far from it in truth
There is a growing Muslim minority in Europe and we dont need the radicalisation that comes with Israel's repressive treatment of the Palestinians.
 

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There is a growing Muslim minority in Europe and we dont need the radicalisation that comes with Israel's repressive treatment of the Palestinians.
Oh..so we must appease the local Muslims by attacking Israel - in case they go mental
Thats not the right way of determining your foreign policy
 

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I'm working on it but I'm just getting more alarmed.


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Israel have zero interest in war with Iran
They are quite happy to let them live out their crazy Islamic customs day and night
Their concern is purely defensive
They are just a little bit concerned about Irans long standing threat to wipe Israel off the map and their parallel drive to develop nuclear ballistic missiles.
And wouldn't you be if you lived there?
 

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Israel have zero interest in war with Iran
They are quite happy to let them live out their crazy Islamic customs day and night
Their concern is purely defensive
They are just a little bit concerned about Irans long standing threat to wipe Israel off the map and their parallel drive to develop nuclear ballistic missiles.
And wouldn't you be if you lived there?
Netanyahu said otherwise. And he is more credible than you.
 

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Why is Ireland so anti-Semitic?

yes - there is some anti-Semitism in Ireland, as there is indeed just about everywhere & apparently always has been.
didn't Shakespeare illustrate it in one of his plays ?
perhaps it has something to do with the traditional behaviour of some Jews, like we have anti-traveller sentiment here, due to the unacceptable behaviour of some travellers ?
I don't know.

anyway, I suspect however that you may be trying to equate criticism of the Israeli government, re their treatment of the Palestinians with anti-Semitism,
& of course, it isn't.
the Israeli government & those who support their brutality towards the Palestinians deserve to be denounced from the rooftops.
 

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Why is Ireland so anti-Semitic?

yes - there is some anti-Semitism in Ireland, as there is indeed just about everywhere & apparently always has been.
didn't Shakespeare illustrate it in one of his plays ?
perhaps it has something to do with the traditional behaviour of some Jews, like we have anti-traveller sentiment here, due to the unacceptable behaviour of some travellers ?
I don't know.

anyway, I suspect however that you may be trying to equate criticism of the Israeli government, re their treatment of the Palestinians with anti-Semitism,
& of course, it isn't.
the Israeli government & those who support their brutality towards the Palestinians deserve to be denounced from the rooftops.
Take a look at these photos from the preeminent "anti-zionist" event of the current century, focusing on "criticism" of Israel.

Durban Watch - Durban I - Durban photos

So, is it possible that anti-zionism was tending to converge to anti-semitism there?

If so, how common is the phenomenon of this tendency to converge?

Or must we always insist they are entirely separate?
 

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Why is Ireland so anti-Semitic?

yes - there is some anti-Semitism in Ireland, as there is indeed just about everywhere & apparently always has been.
didn't Shakespeare illustrate it in one of his plays ?
perhaps it has something to do with the traditional behaviour of some Jews, like we have anti-traveller sentiment here, due to the unacceptable behaviour of some travellers ?
I don't know.

anyway, I suspect however that you may be trying to equate criticism of the Israeli government, re their treatment of the Palestinians with anti-Semitism,
& of course, it isn't.
the Israeli government & those who support their brutality towards the Palestinians deserve to be denounced from the rooftops.
What behaviour of Jews are you claiming gives rise to antisemitism in Ireland?
 
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