Why is Ireland so anti-semitic?


mangaire2

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What behaviour of Jews are you claiming gives rise to antisemitism in Ireland?
i'm not claiming anything.
I was referring to Shakespeare & Shylock & posing a question.

my point was that we Irish are not especially anti-Semitic,
but that it's a tactic of those who support the brutality of the Israeli government towards the Palestinians, to try to portray those of us who condemn such treatment as anti-Semitic.
I thought that that was clear from my previous post.,
 

darkhorse4

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i'm not claiming anything.
I was referring to Shakespeare & Shylock & posing a question.

my point was that we Irish are not especially anti-Semitic,
but that it's a tactic of those who support the brutality of the Israeli government towards the Palestinians, to try to portray those of us who condemn such treatment as anti-Semitic.
I thought that that was clear from my previous post.,
OK whatever..
I was just asking what was the 'traditional behavior' of some Jews that concerned you?

"perhaps it has something to do with the traditional behaviour of some Jews"
 

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Dear Irish Foreign Minister Micheál Martin
Dear Foreign Minister Martin,
I’m an admirer of Ireland, a country whose charm, culture, and beauty have all captivated me. And, as a Jew, I always identified with William Butler Yeats’ famous quote, “Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy.”
But reading your recent op-ed, “Gaza a Year Later,“ in the International Herald Tribune, was another story entirely.
Is it naiveté? Do you really believe that “the medieval siege conditions” you describe in Gaza are nothing more than an Israeli desire to inflict harm on another people, as if Israel were not governed by a moral code deeply embedded in its DNA?
Is it ignorance? Are you unaware of what’s been going on in Gaza, including the brutal nature of Hamas rule, the smuggling of ever more sophisticated weapons, or the thousands of rocket attacks launched against Israel?
Is it fear? Are you seeking to ensure that Ireland doesn’t come in the crosshairs of global jihadists?
Is it projection? Do you assume that all the people of Gaza today want nothing more than the people of Galway, namely, peace on earth and good will toward men?
Is it transference? Do you see the Gazans as the Catholics of Northern Ireland, even if Catholic nationalists never called for Britain’s destruction as Hamas calls for Israel’s every day?
Someone without any knowledge of the region would deduce from your article that Israel, having nothing else to do, simply decided one day to make life unbearable for neighboring Gaza.
You write of a “humanitarian crisis,” “despair and hopelessness,” and “a population traumatized and reduced to poverty by an unjust and completely counterproductive blockade.” And you pull at heartstrings by trying to portray life in Gaza through two children, ages 15 and 10, whose “commitment to the values of human rights and respectful dialogue” shines through the otherwise unremittingly bleak landscape.
Mr. Minister, something is missing from your op-ed. It is as if you simply dropped by parachute into Gaza and described what you saw, or more precisely what you were shown, without ever asking yourself how it came to be. Your narrative recalls other instances where outside observers misread conditions in largely unfamiliar authoritarian societies. They were not able to grasp what was really going on beyond the surface.
Surely, though, more should be expected of the foreign minister of an EU member state — even one that remained studiously neutral both in the Second World War and Cold War; apologized to the Jewish people in 2003 for a wartime “culture of muted anti-Semitism in Ireland” and a policy that “behind closed doors was antipathetic, hostile, and unfeeling toward the Jews”; and has not been known in the EU as particularly sympathetic to Israel.
The fact of the matter is that you absolve Gaza of all responsibility for its own predicament, instead placing it squarely in Israel’s lap.
Hamas merits exactly one passing mention in your piece. That’s the sum total. How can that be? Hamas has single-handedly ruled Gaza since 2007, when it violently ousted Fatah forces from the area. Yet you utterly fail to address this obvious fact.
Pray tell, what is Hamas — just another political party in the Western democratic mold? What does Hamas stand for? Human rights or human wrongs? Political pluralism or pietistic purity? Mutual respect or medieval repression? Peaceful coexistence or violent conflict? Education for tolerance or hate?
As it is, despite being in a state of war, Israel permits substantial humanitarian supplies to cross its border with Gaza every day. Of course, what happens to those supplies once in Gaza is another matter. Periodic reports suggest that distribution is inadequate because much of what arrives is siphoned off for political or economic gain by officials, syndicates, or gangs.
Mr. Minister, it is in Israel’s interests for Gaza to emerge as a stable, moderate, and prosperous region. What country — be it Israel or any other — would wish to have an Iranian-supported terrorist enclave on its borders proclaiming the joy of jihad and diverting much of its resources to weapons?
But Israel cannot act in a vacuum, as if it didn’t face such a stark reality. Forgive me, but for you, it’s much simpler. You come for a day or two, pronounce your views, and return to Dublin — and to a European Union that is anchored in democratic values, protection of human dignity, and peaceful relations among its 27 members.
Sadly, that era hasn’t yet dawned in Israel’s rough-and-tumble neighborhood.
As long as Gaza is more intent on Israel’s destruction than its own construction, as long as Hamas is in charge and pursues its Muslim Brotherhood agenda, as long as Iran stands squarely by Gaza’s side, and as long as young children — including the two you met — are seen as grist for the martyrs’ mill, then what does the future hold?
And, respectfully, as long as Western officials infantilize the people of Gaza by lifting all responsibility for their fate from their own shoulders, then they are not helping, either. It’s high time to stop whitewashing, sidestepping, or rationalizing the situation, or pretending that Israel hasn’t abandoned any claims on Gaza, which it did nearly five years ago. The people of Gaza have been given their first chance in history to chart their own future. What future will they choose?
If you really care about those two children, as I am sure you do and we all should, then it’s high time to challenge the real hurdles they face — beginning with the people who currently govern Gaza and the dead-end path they have opted to pursue.......
 

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Tens of thousands of Irish nurses, doctors, teachers and engineers work in Saudi Arabia, the largest semitic country in the world. The daily effort of these dedicated Irish professionals is hugely valued by the Saudi people.
In what way is Ireland anti-semitic?
It’s the Jews the left hate. Strangely, they’ve no problem with the horrible religion that tells women to shut up and cover their face.
 

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The left try to hide their hated of the Jews by talking about the Palestinians, it why would they care any more about them than the billions suffering elsewhere? They can never answer that?
 

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The left try to hide their hated of the Jews by talking about the Palestinians, it why would they care any more about them than the billions suffering elsewhere? They can never answer that?
Exactly
Its all a lefty & anti US con job
 

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The left try to hide their hated of the Jews by talking about the Palestinians, it why would they care any more about them than the billions suffering elsewhere? They can never answer that?
They don't.

Remember the flotillas to Gaza?

Not even one flotilla was meant for Syrian refugees.

Millions of refugees, hundred of thousands dead, and what they care about is Hamas, while more than 300,000 balestinians have fled their homes inside Syria.
 

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At least we're not Belgium.

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They don't.

Remember the flotillas to Gaza?

Not even one flotilla was meant for Syrian refugees.

Millions of refugees, hundred of thousands dead, and what they care about is Hamas, while more than 300,000 balestinians have fled their homes inside Syria.
Typical whataboutism from the Zionists. Deflection doesnt make it okay.
 

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Here's an ordinary Palestinian, not a Jihadi juvenile, who answers you pretty well - Calling for an awakening of conscience: Palestinians are real people
Sayed Kashua tried to play the game Bassem Eid is playing however he was much sincere, Bassem Eid knew what he was doing, Sayed Kashua only found out after all his naive hopes were crushed and he looked at his kids and knew so the former boy "Arab Israeli" got out. His snapping was a huge deal.

"Twenty-five years of writing in Hebrew, and nothing has changed. Twenty-five years clutching at the hope, believing it is not possible that people can be so blind. Twenty-five years during which I had few reasons to be optimistic but continued to believe that one day this place in which both Jews and Arabs live together would be the one story where the story of the other is not denied. That one day the Israelis would stop denying the Nakba, the Occupation, and the suffering of the Palestinian people. That one day the Palestinians would be willing to forgive and together we would build a place that was worth living in.

Twenty-five years that I am writing and knowing bitter criticism from both sides, but last week I gave up. Last week something inside of me broke. When Jewish youth parade through the city shouting "Death to the Arabs," and attack Arabs only because they are Arabs, I understood that I had lost my little war.

I listened to the politicians and the media and I know that they are differentiating between blood and blood, between peoples. Those who have become the powers that be say expressly what most Israelis think, "We are a better people than the Arabs." On panels that I participated in, it was said that Jews are a superior people, more entitled to life. I despair to know that an absolute majority in the country does not recognise the rights of an Arab to live."

Why I have to leave Israel | Sayed Kashua
 

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Problem is that this is how Israel sees us
If the worlds leading black civil rights group accused Ireland of being the most racist country in Europe then we would take them seriously
Likewise with Israel the Jewish State - when they say that we need to take a long hard look at ourselves
They don't just make these things up
The Israeli government absolutely knows the difference between complaining about a political ideology and a religion.
On a side note, civil rights groups protest Israelis treatment of Palestinians. I don't see them condemning Ireland for being antisemitic. I also don't see you take these civil rights groups seriously.
 

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They were discriminated on the basis of their racial characteristics in Nazi antisemitism, on the basis of their being "plutocrats intent on oppressing the humble people" in the European "socialism for dummies" antisemitism aound the time of the Dreyfus affair, and many other logics and rationales other than religious have been drawn on to justify various persecutions of Jews down through history, including the political.

(Neither are the Jewish people a community held together solely on the basis of religion, in fact this has become much less important than it once was.)
Still, there is a difference between complaining about a political ideology and a religion.

I don't see how your Nazi story has anything to do with what I've written.
 

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The Israeli government absolutely knows the difference between complaining about a political ideology and a religion.
On a side note, civil rights groups protest Israelis treatment of Palestinians. I don't see them condemning Ireland for being antisemitic. I also don't see you take these civil rights groups seriously.
Nor do I see you take PLO, Hamas and other Arabs States mistreatment of palestinian Arabs seriously
All a bit one sided isn't it?
Some people call that antisemitism
 

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Nor do I see you take PLO, Hamas and other Arabs States mistreatment of palestinian Arabs seriously
All a bit one sided isn't it?
Some people call that antisemitism
Should we not hold countries claiming to be democracies to higher standards than self confessed dictatorships and theocracies?
 
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