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Why is Ireland so anti-semitic?

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Golah veNekhar

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Except there's no "they" anymore.

This time it's regular non-Jews like myself calling for it.

Saying, open your eyes, it's pretty clear what is going on here.
I support at least factions in Hamas who are at this stage a very complex organization. By the way even Zionist propagandists like Robert Wistrich have admitted that Hamas in Britain and France are fighting against what they see as anti-Semitism which obviously is different to how you and the Robert Wistrich's of this world see anti-Semitism but still a fact that you should not ignore. Rabbi Menacham Froman was able to forge real and genuine friendships with senior figures in Hamas and able to sustain those friendships during the Second Intifada. I have been imploring you to rather than argue with the Goyim to actually get to know people close to Hamas who are indigenous Palestinian.

No it is not regular non-Jews calling for it, the push is coming from people like Macron and in the context it is extremely dangerous for the "Little Jew".

Open my eyes? One minute you are calling for tough censorship on "Islamophobia" and the next moment you are posting videos akin to the below or "Brother Nathanael":

 

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Sure, many in the world swallow it all uncritically. All the clearly staged theatre and footage.

But the Irish are at the forefront of it. We absolutely lap it up.

Just simple minded unwitting indecency?

Or something else?

I refuse to believe our people can really be all that stupid.
Selective Memri

Memri is a joke.
 

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Golah veNekhar said:
... I hope though this will lead you to stop attacking moderate Muslims such as Hezbollah and Hamas.
You are nothing but an exhibit for the veracity of the OP's opinion.

Of course, any organisation like Memri that has been set up to present information in defense of the accusations people like you fling at the Israelis must be dismissed out of hand by people like you. (not even to begin talking about the amount of intense scrutiny it receives and so on.)

But most normal people can see how that works very clearly.
 

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We cannot and will not allow ourselves be victimised without having a say in how that victimisation gets characterised. Instead they should put their complaints before us and let us decide they are not justified or unjustified
Same applies to black people etc etc I presume?
Black people would first need to understand how fat finger became the victim in place of the Palestinians, and then they would need to internalize the appropriated victimhood, in order to apply it to themselves.

In a representative democracy, the politicians are answerable to the people, the people aren't answerable to the politicians. Neither the Jewish people nor the Palestinian people owe such people anything, anymore than travelers, blacks, the homeless or the working class owe them anything. Not a cent, not a vote, nor the time of day. Nothing. We're one, but we are most certainly not the same, and every civilization on earth is maintained by understanding and accepting that, and allowing the social contract to do its thing.

It's utterly wrong that people can have several different sources of income and make such demands on people who don't, which is why there should be no over-lap between supporters of ethno-nationalist causes and movements which by their nature require them to be absolutist when it comes to non--sectarianism. That is how Catholics and Palestinians get housed, at the exclusion of people who aren't, and it's a universal truth.

Another way of putting this is to take a case sample of a high-profile supporter of the Palestinians such as Christy Moore. He has an income from his music and from his property portfolio. Why does he need to have an input and control into what homeless people have? Why should homeless people have to answer to him? Life would work better for the Palestinians and the homeless if such people stayed on their side of the bed, and stopped encroaching on the others. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars, and render unto Nawi what is Nawi's, but it won't be my hole!
 
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Didn't say they were lying, I'm saying they are wrong. They were moaning about a possible boycott of Israeli produce, a boycott of Israeli produce as a protest of Israeli government military action is not anti semitic. But you already know that and are simply trolling.
And when have the Irish Government or Dail expressed any concern for palestinian Arabs living in desperate conditions under Arab rule with little or no rights? Why are they solely concerned about those palestinian Arabs living in the disputed territories and who are at war with Jews ?
There is a deep undercurrent of antisemitism in Ireland selective support for palestinians
 

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You are nothing but an exhibit for the veracity of the OP's opinion.

Of course, any organisation like Memri that has been set up to present information in defense of the accusations people like you fling at the Israelis must be dismissed out of hand by people like you. (not even to begin talking about the amount of intense scrutiny it receives and so on.)

But most normal people can see how that works very clearly.
roc_ that was from a private message sent to you. The majority of Hamas are moderate Muslims though they have nutter elements which I will admit. Hezbollah are moderate Muslims and claiming that they are some psycho Takferi nutters shows how little you know about the Islamic world and it's complexities. Memri has been exposed as being anything but a reliable source however rather than welcome the good news you would prefer to cling to your beliefs about the rest of the Levant and North Africa. It does not receive an intense amount of scrutiny at all- Muslims generally dismiss anti-Muslim stuff the way that Catholics dismiss anti-Catholic stuff. You are projecting again here. If it received the amount of scrutiny Yesh Din and Rabbis for Human Rights even do it have folded long ago. Back to Hezbollah though, look into Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah. He was an extremely important figure in the Levant and outside of the Post-Zionist Right Jews in Palestine know next to nothing about him.
 

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roc_ that was from a private message sent to you. The majority of Hamas are moderate Muslims though they have nutter elements which I will admit. Hezbollah are moderate Muslims and claiming that they are some psycho Takferi nutters shows how little you know about the Islamic world and it's complexities. Memri has been exposed as being anything but a reliable source however rather than welcome the good news you would prefer to cling to your beliefs about the rest of the Levant and North Africa. It does not receive an intense amount of scrutiny at all- Muslims generally dismiss anti-Muslim stuff the way that Catholics dismiss anti-Catholic stuff. You are projecting again here. If it received the amount of scrutiny Yesh Din and Rabbis for Human Rights even do it have folded long ago. Back to Hezbollah though, look into Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah. He was an extremely important figure in the Levant and outside of the Post-Zionist Right Jews in Palestine know next to nothing about him.
Shut up you anti-Semitic freak! Posting rubbish you dredged up on Wiki to cover up your Jew hatred.
 

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... Hezbollah are moderate Muslims and claiming that they are some psycho Takferi nutters shows how little you know about the Islamic world and it's complexities...
Yeah, I must just not have the upside-down "anti-Zionist" insights that you people have.

Here's their leader Nassan Nasrallah all in his very own words, your hero, yes?

"If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. "
Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002​
"If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli. "
New Yorker, Oct. 14, 2002
"The main effort at the time went into mustering and attracting young men and setting up military camps. The second effort was spreading the word among the people, first, in a bid to raise their morale, and second to instil in them a sense of animosity towards the enemy, coupled with a spirit of resistence...this required us to use the language of indoctrination rather than realpolitik. People then were not in need of political analysis, they were in need of being incited and goaded. "
Hala Jaber, Hezbollah Born With a Vengeance, Columbia University Press, 1997.​
"The Palestinian National Charter will live on as long as there is a knife in a Palestinian woman's hand with which she stabs an Israeli soldier or settler ... as long as there are suicide bombers in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv ... and as long as there is a child who throws a stone in the face of an Israeli soldier. "
AP, Dec. 12, 1998​
"And on this last day of the century, I promise Israel that it will see more suicide attacks, for we will write our history with blood."
Speech at a Hezbollah rally in Beirut. December 31, 1999.​
"Even if [an agreement] is signed we will continue to view [Israel] as an illegitimate and illegal entity”
Al-Hayat, January 2, 2000​
"As we see, this is an illegal state; it is a cancerous entity and the root of all the crises and wars and cannot be a factor in bringing about a true and just peace in this region. Therefore, we cannot acknowledge the existence of a state called Israel, not even far in the future, as some people have tried to suggest. "
On Egyptian television, February 6, 2000​
"It is our pride that the Great Satan (U.S.) and the head of despotism, corruption and arrogance in modern times considers us as an enemy that should be listed in the terrorism list."
United Press International. November 4, 2001​
"Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan [America] is absolute [...] Regardless of how the world has changed after 11 September, Death to America will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan: Death to America."
Al-Manar, BBC Monitoring. September 27, 2002​
"Martyrdom operations - suicide bombings - should be exported outside Palestine. I encourage Palestinians to take suicide bombings worldwide. Don't be shy about it. "
Washington Times, Dec. 6, 2002​
"Israel is our enemy. This is an aggressive, illegal, and illegitimate entity, which has no future in our land. Its destiny is manifested in our motto: 'Death to Israel.'"
Al-Manar television, February 2, 2005​
"How can death become joyous? How can death become happiness? When Al-Hussein asked his nephew Al-Qassem, when he had not yet reached puberty: "How do you like the taste of death, son?" He answered that it was sweeter than honey. How can the foul taste of death become sweeter than honey? Only through conviction, ideology, and faith, through belief, and devotion. We do not want to...leave our homeland to Israel... Therefore, we are not interested in our own personal security. On the contrary, each of us lives his days and nights hoping more than anything to be killed for the sake of Allah."
Al-Manar TV , Feb. 18-19, 2005)​
"There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel."
The Age. July 15, 2006​


Oh and look, here they are, taking a leaf out of Hamas' book, training up the "martyrs" they're going to put into the firing line so that when Israel shoots back in defense, the international "anti-Zionists" rage and hatred will rise and rise...


Totally moderate Muslims to a certain strain of "anti-Zionism" no doubt.
 

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Totally moderate Muslims to a certain strain of "anti-Zionism" no doubt.
A fairly ubiquitous strain in this country.

Oh, look here, a photo from an anti-Israel march in Dublin that president Higgins spoke at.

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But sure begorrah isn't it a "fact" that anti-zionism has zero to do with anti-semitism, eh.

What a stupid pathetic masquerade.
 

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Yeah, I must just not have the upside-down "anti-Zionist" insights that you people have.

Here's their leader Nassan Nasrallah all in his very own words, your hero, yes?
As you know a rule of the conflict in Palestine is the indigenous Levantine bark whether Jewish or Muslim or much worse than their bite and the bite of the Jewish European colonists is far worse than their bark, significantly so. Taking your time to actually learn about people and where they are coming from seems a major problem for you. Learn about Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah for your own sake or else forget about that part of the world.
 

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A fairly ubiquitous strain in this country.

Oh, look here, a photo from an anti-Israel march in Dublin that president Higgins spoke at.

But sure begorrah isn't it a "fact" that anti-zionism has zero to do with anti-semitism, eh.

What a stupid pathetic masquerade.
Take off the Zionist goggles and you would admire Hezbollah. You honestly believe this whole "we will always live by the sword" doctrine is not causing going cause further and further ethical and cultural decay among Palestinian Jews- is that what you want? The Zionists used to mock the old "Court Jew" but they have transformed a lot of American, French and British Jews into "Court Jews". This is not down to "Esau hates Jacob" but the clear dynamics that Hannah Arendt saw clearly back in the 1940s. Meanwhile the sadistic treatment of the indigenous population grows ever more intense. And the more intense it grows the more you have to demonize the "Other" to justify it.
 

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MEMRI is an Israeli propaganda machine - I don't accept at face value anything (especially translations) from that source.
 

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MEMRI is an Israeli propaganda machine - I don't accept at face value anything (especially translations) from that source.
Of course. "An Israeli propaganda machine". As I noted above.

The usual convenient glib dismissal of Israel's presenting their case in response to the shrill self-righteous accusations that they just malevolently and gratuitously go around oppressing the Palestinians for no good reason and shooting children etc. etc.

Well then go find an Arab speaker to translate it for you, if you really are so averse and mistrustful of anything any individual or organisation might submit who have a concern for the Israelis.
 

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Israel is the national homeland for the Jewish people in case you were born yesterday
And what happens if the claims upon this 'national homeland' turned out to be based on something mad like religious trauma literature, or something.
 
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And what happens if the claims upon this 'national homeland' turned out to be based on something mad like religious trauma literature, or something.
That would hardly be likely as the claims are based on international law.
Israel was accepted into the UN as an independant sovereign nation in 1949 - although Jews have lived there for thousands of years
 
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