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Why is Ireland so anti-semitic?

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The concept of Israel in 1949 and what it appears to be now are two very different things.
 

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And there is nothing at all to put against the idea that the law can be as much an ass on the international stage as it can be in Ballaghadareen.
 

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There is a deep undercurrent of antisemitism in Ireland
No. There's not. There's a fractional Jewish and Muslim population in Ireland and the overwhelming majority of people don't identify with Sinn Féin, the Socialist Party or the Socialist Workers Party. 50% of the population voted in the Presidential campaign. SF received 6% of that vote. That means 3% of the population identify with the politics of the party, and people aren't exactly flocking to any of the alternative Republican groups who champion the same causes. That doesn't make the other 97% Islamophobic or Anti-Semitic. It just means they don't connect with the Israeli obsessives, and are far more concerned with the tragedies taking place in their own communities, and I think you'll see this with the collapse of the vote those parties receive in urban working class estates. When you figure out that most of them are just attention-seekers, you'll understand why they will consider such a loss as a victory.

We cannot and will not allow ourselves be victimised without having a say in how that victimisation gets characterised.
That sentence sums them up as a collective. This is about them, and not the Palestinians and the same applies to most of the causes they champion. It's not about the blacks, the homeless, the travelers or the immigrants. It's about them 'giving it to the man', and a defeat at election time helps authenticate the sense of victimhood.
 
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That would hardly be likely as the claims are based on international law.
Israel was accepted into the UN as an independant sovereign nation in 1949 - although Jews have lived there for thousands of years
When was the exile by the Romans darkhorse4 or by the Muslims if you like? And if there was no exile that makes Zionism's claims complicated does it not? The old Yishuv was very opposed to Zionism.
 

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The concept of Israel in 1949 and what it appears to be now are two very different things.
And 3% of the population vote for the parties who have championed one side in that political debate, 70 years later. The flip side of the question in the OP is that it doesn't make the other 97% Islamaphobic.

People involved with Housing Rights Campaigns should be non-sectarian, and the problems start with the same spokespeople trying to control both sides, much in the same way that people involved in recovery programs should be non-sectarian and politically neutral.

That clearly can't be the case with people like Francis Black and Christy Moore. It doesn't make them bad people with bad politics. It just makes them proponents of political views that are incompatible with their class politics.
 
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No. There's not. There's a fractional Jewish and Muslim population in Ireland and the overwhelming majority of people don't identify with Sinn Féin, the Socialist Party or the Socialist Workers Party. 50% of the population voted in the Presidential campaign. SF received 6% of that vote. That means 3% of the population identify with the politics of the party, and people aren't exactly flocking to any of the alternative Republican groups who champion the same causes. That doesn't make the other 97% Islamophobic or Anti-Semitic. It just means they don't connect with the Israeli obsessives, and are far more concerned with the tragedies taking place in their own communities, and I think you'll see this with the collapse of the vote those parties receive in urban working class estates. When you figure out that most of them are just attention-seekers, you'll understand why they will consider such a loss as a victory.



That sentence sums them up as a collective. This is about them, and not the Palestinians and the same applies to most of the causes the champion. It's not about the blacks, the homeless, the travelers or the immigrants. It's about them 'giving it to the man', and a defeat at election time helps authenticate the sense of victimhood.
The most antisemitic countries in the world have zero Jewish population having driven them out or murdered the last of them decades ago - so there is no correlation between antisemitism and having a Jewish population.
And there is almost cross-party agreement in Ireland that Israel is the bad guy in the ME conflict - having the cheek to defend themselves against those poor Arabs who are only trying to kill Jews because that is what their God told them.
We have SF having regular meeting with Hamas to discuss progress in their attempts to 'pacify' the Jewish population of Israel
We have FF supporting an illegal trade ban on Israeli goods
And we have Simon Coveney supporting Palestinian incitment to murder and offering extra finance to those found guilty of terrorist attacks
So there is virtual unanimity in Irish politics on this
 

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The most antisemitic countries in the world have zero Jewish population having driven them out or murdered the last of them decades ago - so there is no correlation between antisemitism and having a Jewish population.
And there is almost cross-party agreement in Ireland that Israel is the bad guy in the ME conflict - having the cheek to defend themselves against those poor Arabs who are only trying to kill Jews because that is what their God told them.
We have SF having regular meeting with Hamas to discuss progress in their attempts to 'pacify' the Jewish population of Israel
We have FF supporting an illegal trade ban on Israeli goods
And we have Simon Coveney supporting Palestinian incitment to murder and offering extra finance to those found guilty of terrorist attacks
So there is virtual unanimity in Irish politics on this
It's 95 years since a Jew was killed in Ireland. 97% of the people don't vote for either of the 3 main Pro-Palestinian Parties, based on the most recent election. Criticism of Israel doesn't make someone an anti-Semite, anymore than criticism of Hamas makes someone an Islamophobic. For someone like me, it's a bit in your face for me to vote for such people or to socialize with them, but that is not the reason the other 97% don't vote for them. It just doesn't strike a chord with people, because most people live on the other side of the world, and we're occupied with our own problems. I haven't referred a single-person that has approached me for advice on housing to any of the local Palestinian Freedom Fighters, and that's how you undermine gobdaws where it matters, because it will drain support from them at the ballot box in the long term. Every person referred elsewhere takes votes from them. :censored:
 
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It's 95 years since a Jew was killed in Ireland. 97% of the people don't vote for either of the 3 main Pro-Palestinian Parties, based on the most recent election. Criticism of Israel doesn't make someone an anti-Semite, anymore than criticism of Hamas makes someone an Islamophobic. For someone like me, it's a bit in your face for me to vote for such people or to socialize with them, but that is not the reason the other 97% don't vote for them. It just doesn't strike a chord with people, because most people live on the other side of the world, and we're occupied with our own problems. I haven't referred a single-person that has approached me for advice on housing to any of the local Palestinian Freedom Fighters, and that's how you undermine gobdaws where it matters, because it will drain support from them at the ballot box in the long term. Every person referred elsewhere takes votes from them. :censored:
All 4 main Irish political parties claim to be pro palestinian - as in the palestinians who try to kill Jews in Israel
None of them care a dam about the welfare of palestinians trapped in Arab countries but who suffer much more
 

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All 4 main Irish political parties claim to be pro palestinian - as in the palestinians who try to kill Jews in Israel

None of them care a dam about the welfare of palestinians trapped in Arab countries but who suffer much more
OK, but how many people vote for them based solely on their policies on Israel? I knew several of them before they became 'pop-stars' on the political scene. Now I wouldn't sit in the same room as a lot of them, if not all of them, for more than five minutes. If I enter a pub and they are there I leave. If I get on the same bus as one of them I get off. If I bump into them in a shopping centre I shop elsewhere. If I am on the same path as one of them I cross over. In that respect, you are preaching to the converted. The only way to deal with the type of narcissism which afflicts the Irish Left Chiq is to burn all bridges and take no prisoners. The trick is to understand that you are dealing with obsessives suffering with narcissism, as opposed to bad people suffering from anti-semitism. The nature of Leninism dictates that it will facilitate anti-semitism, depending on the context and how it broadens the objectives of the broad-front. Oddly enough, enforcing policies and agendas such as the Palestinian cause in the manner and with the force described by fat finger below, can often shorten the broad-front it was intended to build:

We cannot and will not allow ourselves be victimised without having a say in how that victimisation gets characterised. Instead they should put their complaints before us and let us decide they are not justified or unjustified
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it was this kind of thinking which brought the rise of SF to a grinding halt at the last Presidential election, but strangely enough, it hasn't stopped them promoting the cause and further losses at the next elections will probably strengthen their resolve. I don't think they are anti-semities; I don't think there is anything wrong with their criticism of Israel; I just don't want them in my home; at my front door; in my front garden; around my family. Other than that I don't have a problem with them, but I don't think it's fair that people who disagree with them should have to deal with any of them or their associates in Council offices or medical arenas. That's not equality.
 

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When was the exile by the Romans darkhorse4 or by the Muslims if you like? And if there was no exile that makes Zionism's claims complicated does it not? The old Yishuv was very opposed to Zionism.
Around 135? (By Romans, obviously, or certainly not by Muslims?). In fairness, it's complicated no matter what way you look at it. The Samaritans are probably the nearest thing to 'a native' there, no? If the Palestinians all descended from the same Diaspora, they would all speak a similar dialect. They don't. It's implausible that they were all dispersed in the 1940's for that reason above all others. A quick glance at the diversity of the languages spoken by the dispersed groups tells anyone with half-a-brain that the multitude of dialects spoken is also the greatest barrier to an organized return. The equivalent in Europe would be similar to taking a mix of Celtic Language speakers and relocating them in a country speaking the same mother-tongue. We know from the consequences of pilot projects which forced particular dialects on people elsewhere, who spoke the same mother-tongue, that it would cause incalculable damage. National suicide through the linguistic suicide. Far too many people are paid far too much money to identify problems of this nature, and to find solutions for them, mostly to people whose organizational skills and life experience never extended too far beyond the next round, and far too many of the same people have come to believe their own propaganda. I don't think it's any coincidence that people like Nigel Farage, Paul Murphy, Richard Boyd Barrett and Eamon McCann all support Brexit and the Punk scene, and their political views are closer to those of the Boomtown Rats, than they were to the politics of James Connolly and the Irish Socialist Republican Party. I think 96% of the population would agree that they're not Anti-Semites.. 97% of the population are still not interested. 'Giving it to the man' is something most people grow out of when they are 15 or 16, but it's understandable why Punks need to continue as they were in their youth. However, this is what I don't understand about SF and the micro Republican groups. Why did they continue to push the self-destruct button until they were at 6%?
 
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The concept of Israel in 1949 and what it appears to be now are two very different things.
Yes, its incredible how they have transformed it from desert into one of the most advanced countries in the world
Despite being surrounded and continuously under attack by hostile Muslim dictatorships
 
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Not one of the surrounding countries is attacking Israel.
Not one?
Hezbollah from Lebanon
Iran closing in from Syria
Gaza is ruled by Hamas
THe WB is full of terrorists
Egypt and the Sinai is also full of terrorist groups including Al Qaeda
Isn't that enough to worry about?
 

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Not one?
Hezbollah from Lebanon
Iran closing in from Syria
Gaza is ruled by Hamas
THe WB is full of terrorists
Egypt and the Sinai is also full of terrorist groups including Al Qaeda
Isn't that enough to worry about?
Not one surrounding country, which you said, is attacking Israel. Not one.

Israel though routinely bombs Syria.
 

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Not one surrounding country, which you said, is attacking Israel. Not one.
Iran has a number of proxy terrorist forces placed in all of the countries bordering Israel, whose overriding strategy is to incite demonisation, delegitimisation and condemnation of Israel. This strategy is supported by the OIC countries.


Please watch the following video through if you don't understand the strategy of how these countries are currently attacking Israel.


No doubt you'll profess either not to understand, to see, or to accept the evidence.

(Which of course is counted upon by these countries attacking Israel.)
 
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Not one surrounding country, which you said, is attacking Israel. Not one.

Israel though routinely bombs Syria.
All of those groups have stated they intend to kill all Jews / wipe Israel off the map and need to be continuously monitored and controlled
But in the past, Israel has been attacked by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Yemen
So you can't be too careful
 

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There is little doubt that Israelis see Ireland as one of the most anti-Jewish countries in the western world if not the entire non-arab world
Is it because of our Catholic culture which traditionally blamed Jews for the killing of Christ?
Is it because of our history of conflict and occupation by Britain (which is utterly different to the age old Jewish homeland in Israel)?
Or is it because of the prevalence of fake news generally - which seeks to break up the unity of Western civilisation?
Israel is surrounded by hostile Arab dictatorships most of whom indoctrinate their population into blaming Israel for their own brutality - so its never going to be easy for Israel - but despite that they do make great efforts to be even handed.
From the BDS campaign which seeks to destroy Israeli industry, the campaign to pressurise Sarah McTiernan into withdrawing from the Eurovision or the unprecedented Senate vote to ban Israeli imports into Ireland and many other anti Israel campaigns
We all know how corrupt and anti-democratic the Arab/Muslim world is..
So why are we doing this - to what should be our greatest ally?


Israel gives Irish ambassador severe dressing down for ‘anti-Semitic’ Dáil Bill
The IDA says Israel is one of our stiffest competitors for FDI- Foreign direct investment, especially from the US. Other competitors are London and Singapore and Netherlands. We are in competition with Israel.
 

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Israel is not too friendly towards Christians. The Christian population of the Holy land has decreased substansially since 1948. Ireland is a Christian country. Should we ignore the plight of the Middle East Christians?
 

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The Irish hate the Jews, Because from birth they have being brainwashed in to thinking the Jews murdered their God. Hospitals and school all had a bloke nailed to the wall just to remind them. Palo's are handy.
 

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