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Why is Ireland so anti-semitic?

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Hillmanhunter1

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You are nearly right
A lot of anti semitism did seem to fade around 1948 - which is hardly surprising after the events of the Holocaust became known and anti semitism became associated with Nazi savagery.
And strangely enough around the same time, anti-semites transformed themselves into anti-Israeli's, having shed their Nazi affiliations anti semites were now free to attack the same people under a new, more respectable label by championing the 'human rights' of the next bunch of savages who want to kill all Jews - the Arabs.
BTW Israel declared independance in 1948
I assume that by your reasoning all of the following are anti-semites:

Douglas Alexander Former minister of state for Europe, United Kingdom
Jean-Marc Ayrault Former foreign minister and prime minister, France
Carl Bildt Former foreign minister and prime minister, Sweden
Włodzimierz Cimoszewicz Former foreign minister and prime minister, Poland
Dacian Cioloș Former prime minister and European commissioner, Romania
Willy Claes Former foreign minister and Nato secretary general, Belgium
Massimo d’Alema Former foreign minister and prime minister, Italy
Karel De Gucht Former foreign minister and European commissioner, Belgium
Uffe Ellemann-Jensen Former foreign minister and president of the European Liberals, Denmark
Benita Ferrero-Waldner Former foreign minister and European commissioner for external relations, Austria
Franco Frattini Former foreign minister and European commissioner, Italy
Sigmar Gabriel Former foreign minister and vice-chancellor, Germany
Lena Hjelm-Wallén Former foreign minister and deputy prime minister, Sweden
Eduard Kukan Former foreign minister, Slovakia
Martin Lidegaard Former foreign minister, Denmark
Mogens Lykketoft Former foreign minister and UN general assembly president, Denmark
Louis Michel Former foreign minister and European commissioner, Belgium
David Miliband Former foreign secretary, United Kingdom
Holger K Nielsen Former foreign minister, Denmark
Marc Otte Former EU special representative to the Middle East peace process, Belgium
Ana Palacio Former foreign minister, Spain
Jacques Poos Former foreign minister, Luxembourg
Vesna Pusić Former foreign minister and deputy prime minister, Croatia
Mary Robinson Former president and United Nations high commissioner for human rights, Ireland
Robert Serry Former UN special coordinator for the Middle East peace process, the Netherlands
Javier Solana Former foreign minister, Nato secretary general and EU high representative for common foreign and security policy, Spain
Per Stig Møller Former foreign minister, Denmark
Michael Spindelegger Former foreign minister and vice-chancellor, Austria
Jack Straw Former foreign secretary, United Kingdom
Desmond Swayne Former minister of state for international development, United Kingdom
Erkki Tuomioja Former foreign minister, Finland
Ivo Vajgl Former foreign minister, Slovenia
Frank Vandenbroucke Former foreign minister, Belgium
Jozias van Aartsen Former foreign minister, the Netherlands
Hubert Védrine Former foreign minister, France
Guy Verhofstadt Former prime minister, Belgium
Lubomír Zaorálek Former foreign minister, Czech Republic

Europe must stand by the two-state solution for Israel and Palestine | Letter
 
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I assume that by your reasoning all of the following are anti-semites:

Douglas Alexander Former minister of state for Europe, United Kingdom
Jean-Marc Ayrault Former foreign minister and prime minister, France
Carl Bildt Former foreign minister and prime minister, Sweden
Włodzimierz Cimoszewicz Former foreign minister and prime minister, Poland
Dacian Cioloș Former prime minister and European commissioner, Romania
Willy Claes Former foreign minister and Nato secretary general, Belgium
Massimo d’Alema Former foreign minister and prime minister, Italy
Karel De Gucht Former foreign minister and European commissioner, Belgium
Uffe Ellemann-Jensen Former foreign minister and president of the European Liberals, Denmark
Benita Ferrero-Waldner Former foreign minister and European commissioner for external relations, Austria
Franco Frattini Former foreign minister and European commissioner, Italy
Sigmar Gabriel Former foreign minister and vice-chancellor, Germany
Lena Hjelm-Wallén Former foreign minister and deputy prime minister, Sweden
Eduard Kukan Former foreign minister, Slovakia
Martin Lidegaard Former foreign minister, Denmark
Mogens Lykketoft Former foreign minister and UN general assembly president, Denmark
Louis Michel Former foreign minister and European commissioner, Belgium
David Miliband Former foreign secretary, United Kingdom
Holger K Nielsen Former foreign minister, Denmark
Marc Otte Former EU special representative to the Middle East peace process, Belgium
Ana Palacio Former foreign minister, Spain
Jacques Poos Former foreign minister, Luxembourg
Vesna Pusić Former foreign minister and deputy prime minister, Croatia
Mary Robinson Former president and United Nations high commissioner for human rights, Ireland
Robert Serry Former UN special coordinator for the Middle East peace process, the Netherlands
Javier Solana Former foreign minister, Nato secretary general and EU high representative for common foreign and security policy, Spain
Per Stig Møller Former foreign minister, Denmark
Michael Spindelegger Former foreign minister and vice-chancellor, Austria
Jack Straw Former foreign secretary, United Kingdom
Desmond Swayne Former minister of state for international development, United Kingdom
Erkki Tuomioja Former foreign minister, Finland
Ivo Vajgl Former foreign minister, Slovenia
Frank Vandenbroucke Former foreign minister, Belgium
Jozias van Aartsen Former foreign minister, the Netherlands
Hubert Védrine Former foreign minister, France
Guy Verhofstadt Former prime minister, Belgium
Lubomír Zaorálek Former foreign minister, Czech Republic

Europe must stand by the two-state solution for Israel and Palestine | Letter
Why would you assume that?
 

Golah veNekhar

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Psycho analysis and accusations of working off a script from a hasbra pro.you literally couldnt make it up.
roc_ is nothing like a Hasbara pro. In fact they train them well not to act like roc acts a lot of the time. L'Chaim and that other lad Wascurito could very possibly have been.
 
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They are, as you put it "championing the 'human rights' of the next bunch of savages who want to kill all Jews - the Arabs."

You defined anti semitism as caring about the human rights of Palestinians, remember. You are spreading so much shite you cant even keep up with yourself.
But surely Palestinians can enjoy human rights without wanting to kill all Jews
Is that too much to ask?
 

Hillmanhunter1

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Why would you assume that?
Because according to you anti-Semites feign concern about the rights of Palestinians as a cover for their nefarious agenda.

So, do you put these eminent people in the same category?

And btw, how are you getting on with finding evidence to support the thread title?
 

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I assume that by your reasoning all of the following are anti-semites:

Douglas Alexander Former minister of state for Europe, United Kingdom
Jean-Marc Ayrault Former foreign minister and prime minister, France
Carl Bildt Former foreign minister and prime minister, Sweden
Włodzimierz Cimoszewicz Former foreign minister and prime minister, Poland
Dacian Cioloș Former prime minister and European commissioner, Romania
Willy Claes Former foreign minister and Nato secretary general, Belgium
Massimo d’Alema Former foreign minister and prime minister, Italy
Karel De Gucht Former foreign minister and European commissioner, Belgium
Uffe Ellemann-Jensen Former foreign minister and president of the European Liberals, Denmark
Benita Ferrero-Waldner Former foreign minister and European commissioner for external relations, Austria
Franco Frattini Former foreign minister and European commissioner, Italy
Sigmar Gabriel Former foreign minister and vice-chancellor, Germany
Lena Hjelm-Wallén Former foreign minister and deputy prime minister, Sweden
Eduard Kukan Former foreign minister, Slovakia
Martin Lidegaard Former foreign minister, Denmark
Mogens Lykketoft Former foreign minister and UN general assembly president, Denmark
Louis Michel Former foreign minister and European commissioner, Belgium
David Miliband Former foreign secretary, United Kingdom
Holger K Nielsen Former foreign minister, Denmark
Marc Otte Former EU special representative to the Middle East peace process, Belgium
Ana Palacio Former foreign minister, Spain
Jacques Poos Former foreign minister, Luxembourg
Vesna Pusić Former foreign minister and deputy prime minister, Croatia
Mary Robinson Former president and United Nations high commissioner for human rights, Ireland
Robert Serry Former UN special coordinator for the Middle East peace process, the Netherlands
Javier Solana Former foreign minister, Nato secretary general and EU high representative for common foreign and security policy, Spain
Per Stig Møller Former foreign minister, Denmark
Michael Spindelegger Former foreign minister and vice-chancellor, Austria
Jack Straw Former foreign secretary, United Kingdom
Desmond Swayne Former minister of state for international development, United Kingdom
Erkki Tuomioja Former foreign minister, Finland
Ivo Vajgl Former foreign minister, Slovenia
Frank Vandenbroucke Former foreign minister, Belgium
Jozias van Aartsen Former foreign minister, the Netherlands
Hubert Védrine Former foreign minister, France
Guy Verhofstadt Former prime minister, Belgium
Lubomír Zaorálek Former foreign minister, Czech Republic

Europe must stand by the two-state solution for Israel and Palestine | Letter
No, that’s Your reasoning or at least your purported reasoning. Show me where any of the above apart from Mary Robinson have engaged in:
  • Opposing national self-determination for Jews while not opposing it for all other peoples on earth.
  • Applying a deliberate double standard – demonizing Israel for sometimes questionable decisions and actions while ignoring gross violations of human rights by its neighbors against their own people and against Israel.
  • Claiming that Jews are colonizers and occupiers on land where Jews have lived and have had to fight for survival for 3000 years.
  • Refusing to accept any Arab responsibility for the refugee situation, and placing all bets on flooding Israel with Palestinians to destroy it.
  • Pointedly ignoring Arab treatment of Palestinian refugees
  • Insisting that Israel become a binational state where all Palestinian so-called refugees can be brought in to erase the Jewish majority and transform Israel into an Arab state.
  • Ignoring that practically all Jews were forced to leave the Arab world which has now become as Judenrein as Germany was during the Holocaust.
  • Demanding that Jews abandon their homes in Judea and Samaria so that the Palestinians can create yet one more Judenrein Arab state.
  • Calling Israel “Palestine” when no such country has ever existed as an Arab nation or even as a sovereign nation.
  • Calling Israel the “Zionist Entity” in an attempt to erase 3000 years of history and replace it with a new conveniently invented Arab Palestine.
  • Routinely making false claims against Israel, such as claims of genocide, refusing to attribute any fault to Arab terrorists, while encouraging a Palestinian culture where children are taught to hate the “Yehudis” (the Jews).
  • Rewriting history in order to justify hatred and demonization of the Jewish state.
  • Blaming everything on Israel and nothing on the stubborn refusal of Palestinian leaders to accept any solution presented to them or on the continued terrorist attacks that threaten the security of every Israeli.
  • Outright dismissing any Israeli making of their case against accusations flung at them... (example)...
If they have, well yes, the question of antisemitism should certainly be raised and they should adequately account for themselves in that respect. But many, many support a two state solution without being antisemitic.
 

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I make no such claim - I challenge you to show that I do.

I have been assiduous in acknowledging that Irish history does include some anti-Semites. The Eurobarometer report that I have cited several times does not say that there is no problem with anti-Semitism in Ireland, but it does say that the problem is less than the European average.

This is why I am insulted by the title of this thread because it is a lie. Irish people are not "so anti-Semitic", and darkhorse4 had not cited any evidence to back it up.

Unfortunately, he is not enough of a mensch to acknowledge that.
Even if some European countries are more antisemitic than Ireland, it's not a reason to be insulted.
 

Hillmanhunter1

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Even if some European countries are more antisemitic than Ireland, it's not a reason to be insulted.
It is, I'm proud to be Irish, and we have every right to be, no more and no less than any other people.

An OP that willfully mischaracterizes Irish people is a deliberate and calculated insult.

I will not let darkhorse4 away with it.
 

Golah veNekhar

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  • Demanding that Jews abandon their homes in Judea and Samaria so that the Palestinians can create yet one more Judenrein Arab state
Let it be known that roc_ supports the Settlement project which makes moving around the West Bank almost impossible for indigenous Palestinians, steals their water and has involved ever increasing violence against the indigenous population backed up by the IDF. The Settlers get to vote in Zionist elections while as the indigenous communities in the West Bank get no such right- indeed roc believes that giving them such a right would go against "Jewish self determination".
 

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No, that’s Your reasoning or at least your purported reasoning. Show me where any of the above apart from Mary Robinson have engaged in:
  • Opposing national self-determination for Jews while not opposing it for all other peoples on earth.
  • Applying a deliberate double standard – demonizing Israel for sometimes questionable decisions and actions while ignoring gross violations of human rights by its neighbors against their own people and against Israel.
  • Claiming that Jews are colonizers and occupiers on land where Jews have lived and have had to fight for survival for 3000 years.
  • Refusing to accept any Arab responsibility for the refugee situation, and placing all bets on flooding Israel with Palestinians to destroy it.
  • Pointedly ignoring Arab treatment of Palestinian refugees
  • Insisting that Israel become a binational state where all Palestinian so-called refugees can be brought in to erase the Jewish majority and transform Israel into an Arab state.
  • Ignoring that practically all Jews were forced to leave the Arab world which has now become as Judenrein as Germany was during the Holocaust.
  • Demanding that Jews abandon their homes in Judea and Samaria so that the Palestinians can create yet one more Judenrein Arab state.
  • Calling Israel “Palestine” when no such country has ever existed as an Arab nation or even as a sovereign nation.
  • Calling Israel the “Zionist Entity” in an attempt to erase 3000 years of history and replace it with a new conveniently invented Arab Palestine.
  • Routinely making false claims against Israel, such as claims of genocide, refusing to attribute any fault to Arab terrorists, while encouraging a Palestinian culture where children are taught to hate the “Yehudis” (the Jews).
  • Rewriting history in order to justify hatred and demonization of the Jewish state.
  • Blaming everything on Israel and nothing on the stubborn refusal of Palestinian leaders to accept any solution presented to them or on the continued terrorist attacks that threaten the security of every Israeli.
  • Outright dismissing any Israeli making of their case against accusations flung at them... (example)...
If they have, well yes, the question of antisemitism should certainly be raised and they should adequately account for themselves in that respect. But many, many support a two state solution without being antisemitic.
I think you meant to direct that to Densehorse, he was the one who included concern for Palestinians human rights as evidence of antisemitism..
 

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It is, I'm proud to be Irish, and we have every right to be, no more and no less than any other people.

An OP that willfully mischaracterizes Irish people is a deliberate and calculated insult.

I will not let darkhorse4 away with it.
Oh shut up. The writing is on the wall. You go to any of these rallies, you talk to any of these Irish so called "anti-Zionist" zealots and you get the picture (and the slogans) pretty damn quick - 'Ireland most hostile country in Europe'
It is just typical gombeen behaviour to pretend oh no, butter wouldn't melt in our mouths etc. Deny, deny, deny. Patriots are we, etc.
 

Buchaill Dana

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Oh shut up. The writing is on the wall. You go to any of these rallies, you talk to any of these Irish so called "anti-Zionist" zealots and you get the picture (and the slogans) pretty damn quick - 'Ireland most hostile country in Europe'
It is just typical gombeen behaviour to pretend oh no, butter wouldn't melt in our mouths etc. Deny, deny, deny.
He is in abusive mode again. Happens when he loses the argument.
 

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It is, I'm proud to be Irish, and we have every right to be, no more and no less than any other people.

An OP that willfully mischaracterizes Irish people is a deliberate and calculated insult.

I will not let darkhorse4 away with it.
So, if I say that the Poles are more antisemitic than the Irish people, will it please you?
 

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No, that’s Your reasoning or at least your purported reasoning. Show me where any of the above apart from Mary Robinson have engaged in:
  • Opposing national self-determination for Jews while not opposing it for all other peoples on earth.
  • Applying a deliberate double standard – demonizing Israel for sometimes questionable decisions and actions while ignoring gross violations of human rights by its neighbors against their own people and against Israel.
  • Claiming that Jews are colonizers and occupiers on land where Jews have lived and have had to fight for survival for 3000 years.
  • Refusing to accept any Arab responsibility for the refugee situation, and placing all bets on flooding Israel with Palestinians to destroy it.
  • Pointedly ignoring Arab treatment of Palestinian refugees
  • Insisting that Israel become a binational state where all Palestinian so-called refugees can be brought in to erase the Jewish majority and transform Israel into an Arab state.
  • Ignoring that practically all Jews were forced to leave the Arab world which has now become as Judenrein as Germany was during the Holocaust.
  • Demanding that Jews abandon their homes in Judea and Samaria so that the Palestinians can create yet one more Judenrein Arab state.
  • Calling Israel “Palestine” when no such country has ever existed as an Arab nation or even as a sovereign nation.
  • Calling Israel the “Zionist Entity” in an attempt to erase 3000 years of history and replace it with a new conveniently invented Arab Palestine.
  • Routinely making false claims against Israel, such as claims of genocide, refusing to attribute any fault to Arab terrorists, while encouraging a Palestinian culture where children are taught to hate the “Yehudis” (the Jews).
  • Rewriting history in order to justify hatred and demonization of the Jewish state.
  • Blaming everything on Israel and nothing on the stubborn refusal of Palestinian leaders to accept any solution presented to them or on the continued terrorist attacks that threaten the security of every Israeli.
  • Outright dismissing any Israeli making of their case against accusations flung at them... (example)...
If they have, well yes, the question of antisemitism should certainly be raised and they should adequately account for themselves in that respect. But many, many support a two state solution without being antisemitic.
This is funny.

Every time darkhorse4 gets his arse handed to him you come swinging in - you are different people, yes?

I haven't offered any reasoning. I am hoisting the charlatan darkhorse4 on his own petard.

He has said:

"anti-semites transformed themselves into anti-Israeli's, having shed their Nazi affiliations anti semites were now free to attack the same people under a new, more respectable label by championing the 'human rights' of the next bunch of savages who want to kill all Jews - the Arabs."

The signatories to this letter state unequivocally that "recent escalating efforts to restrict the unhindered work of civil society have made European support for human-rights defenders in both Israel and Palestine, and their critical role in reaching a sustainable pace, more important than ever".

So by his reasoning these eminent signatories are anti-Semites.
 

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So, if I say that the Poles are more antisemitic than the Irish people, will it please you?
If you want to start a thread about anti-Semitism and the Poles away you go.

This thread follows the scurrilous and insulting proposition in the OP that we need to explain why the Irish are so anti-Semitic.

But so far darkhorse4 has conspicuously failed to offer any evidence to support that contention and, regrettably, has not shown the character to withdraw that contemptable statement.
 
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