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Why is Ireland so anti-semitic?

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Hillmanhunter1

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That is hardly the final say on evidence of Irish antisemitism given the number of issues raised in this thread
Nor does it make sense to survey non Jewish people on whether they are antisemitic or not - obviously no one will admit to being antisemitic
The people to survey about antisemitism are Jewish people - and ideally those whose lives might not be affected by exposing it
No one wants to stir the flames of antisemitism and risk some kind of retribution upon themselves or their families
The less said about it the better in some respects but that doesn't mean its not real or doesn't exist
You are perfectly free to critique my evidence.

I'd love to have the chance to critique yours - but you haven't offered any.

You are a charlatan and a troll.
 

Buchaill Dana

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That is hardly the final say on evidence of Irish antisemitism given the number of issues raised in this thread
Nor does it make sense to survey non Jewish people on whether they are antisemitic or not - obviously no one will admit to being antisemitic
The people to survey about antisemitism are Jewish people - and ideally those whose lives might not be affected by exposing it
No one wants to stir the flames of antisemitism and risk some kind of retribution upon themselves or their families
The less said about it the better in some respects but that doesn't mean its not real or doesn't exist
So the fact you cant prove antisemitism is rampant in Ireland proves it is.

We are scraping new depths.
 

Golah veNekhar

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No
Do you?
Well the Irish from Gaelic Catholic backgrounds have a very strong sense of ethical universalism which is something that only appears in Jewish culture when it is under strong Christian or Islamic influence. You should read this important essay by a very influential and learned Rabbi in Eretz Israel which deals with the standing of non-Jews in Jewish Religious Law or Halakhah. You might not have the concentration for it but the first chapter written by a leading Jewish academic deals with the literal demonization of Christians in particular but also other non-Jews (though strangely enough Muslims more often than you would think get an elavated status from that of the run of the mill Goyim) and the total rejection of ethical universalism in the Rabbinic Jewish mystical tradition (he tries to make excuses for this but admits it is kind of problematic).

Gentiles in Halacha | Daat Emet

http://the-eye.eu/public/Books/Occult_Library/Qabalah/Venturing Beyond.pdf
 

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human rights is the legitimization for antisemitism today...
Exactly. You got it at last. Just like in previous eras of persecution people have sought to justify anti-Semitism by recourse to the highest source of authority available within the culture. In the Middle Ages, it was religion. In post-Enlightenment Europe it was science. Remember the aim of antisemitism is to galvanise as many souls as possible to eventually meting out a righteous justice to the Jews.

If what you are saying is that it is clear that darkhorse4 considers concern for the human rights of Palestinians as being anti-Semitism - I agree with you.
This is just the childish, transparent, stupid nonsense that causes you problems on this forum. Who in the world would say that concern for the human rights of Palestinians is anti-Semitism? Certainly DH did not say it. But you seem to think you're so clever in interpreting his words in such a way. It's just pathetic. Further you've had all possible ambiguity removed and you still persist with it? You're not only childish but an asshole too, no other word. Get a life.
 
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Well the Irish from Gaelic Catholic backgrounds have a very strong sense of ethical universalism which is something that only appears in Jewish culture when it is under strong Christian or Islamic influence. You should read this important essay by a very influential and learned Rabbi in Eretz Israel which deals with the standing of non-Jews in Jewish Religious Law or Halakhah. You might not have the concentration for it but the first chapter written by a leading Jewish academic deals with the literal demonization of Christians in particular but also other non-Jews (though strangely enough Muslims more often than you would think get an elavated status from that of the run of the mill Goyim) and the total rejection of ethical universalism in the Rabbinic Jewish mystical tradition (he tries to make excuses for this but admits it is kind of problematic).

Gentiles in Halacha | Daat Emet

http://the-eye.eu/public/Books/Occult_Library/Qabalah/Venturing Beyond.pdf
That seems most unlikely
There are so few Jews in Ireland, it is stretching credibility to claim that their behaviour, no matter how bad it might be would engender the amount of anti semitism we witness in Ireland today.
That is utter rubbish.
 

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Exactly. You got it at last. Just like in previous eras of persecution people have sought to justify anti-Semitism by recourse to the highest source of authority available within the culture. In the Middle Ages, it was religion. In post-Enlightenment Europe it was science. Remember the aim of antisemitism is to galvanise as many souls as possible to eventually meting out a righteous justice to the Jews.


This is just the childish, transparent, stupid nonsense that causes you problems on this forum. Who in the world would say that concern for the human rights of Palestinians is anti-Semitism? Certainly DH did not say it. But you seem to think you're so clever in interpreting his words in such a way. It's just pathetic. Further you've had all possible ambiguity removed and you still persist with it? You're not only childish but an asshole too, no other word. Get a life.
Oh yes he did!
 

Golah veNekhar

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That seems most unlikely
There are so few Jews in Ireland, it is stretching credibility to claim that their behaviour, no matter how bad it might be would engender the amount of anti semitism we witness in Ireland today.
That is utter rubbish.
Ireland tragically is very tied into the United States. Look I would argue that actual anti-Semitism just like actual homophobia is good for people who engage in homosexuality because it helps prevent them for engaging in to much activity harmful to both self and others (the more tolerance of homosexuality in society the more likely people caught up in that lifestyle are likely to develop things like a fetish for getting themselves a dose of the old AIDS- "bug catching" is now a major thing in the American LGBT community) in measure is good for Jews as it encourages them to be much more ethical and thoughtful than they otherwise would be.
 

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The inevitable persistent antisemites intent on derailing the discussion with their inanities is actually pretty strong proof even just on it's own. I think we have such a deeply engrained problem in this country with anti Semitism manifesting today as anti Zionism it's undiscussable, and this is true not just online, but in real life too. Exact same reaction, butter wouldn't melt etc.

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(original article)
 

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That journalist made some astute observations in the aftermath, highly relevant to the exhibition that this thread has turned to:

"... For most talkbackers, though, my perspective was irrelevant. Their preferred tactic was to posture as upright critics of Israel who are nastily maligned as anti- Semitic. It’s what I discussed in my January 30 editorial on Gerald Scarfe’s recent Sunday Times cartoon. I wrote: “Most anti-Semites nowadays are remarkably practiced in accompanying their invective with instant disclaimers – by now an expected part of the pattern.

“It’s politically incorrect to even hint at their thinly disguised anti-Semitism. That immediately turns them into the muzzled good-guys and the protesters into loathsome Jews seeking to silence yet more righteous critics of Israel with their doomsday weapon – charges of anti- Semitism. Moreover, any remote reference to the Holocaust is sure to elicit howls of derision.

“This diabolical yet prevalent deformation of perceptions confers on all anti- Semites the freedom to slander, while denying Jews the right to call a spade a spade.

“It’s a foolproof arrangement. Jew-revulsion now masquerades behind acutely inflammatory anti-Israel and pro-Arab propaganda, whose disseminators inevitably deny anti-Semitism. Their favorite ploy is to present Israel-bashing as just deserts for the Jewish state’s policies..."


Enough said.
 
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So the fact you cant prove antisemitism is rampant in Ireland proves it is.

We are scraping new depths.
As I pointed out earlier, most of our antisemitism is directed at Jews abroad
Largely because we didn't let them in in the first place
 

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Ar dtús báire, is clár stairúil é 'An Aetóip I céimeanna na céad Críostaithe', 'Ethiopia - In the footsteps of the first Christians', agus is gluaiseacht é Rastafarianism in ionad 'reiligiún.' Sa Gaeilge ciallíonn an focal 'creideamh', rud a creidúint. Is féidir creidúint a bheith agat gan 'reiligiún.' Is staraí é Ras Seymour McLean, nó sin a bhí sé nuair a bhí sé beo, ach fuair sé bás cúpla bhliain ó shin, agus chomh maith le sin, tháinig an chéad Críostaithe, Frumentius, ó Iosrael go dtí An Aetóip, agus tá sé deacair toisc sin iad a scarúint ó na chéile.





Ní féidir a rá nach bhfuil fadhbadhanna le athbheochán An Gaeilge & na teanganna Ceilteach eile, ach ag an am céanna, ní féidir a rá nach bhfuil difríocht mór idir na 70’í nuair nach raibh ach 16 scoileanna Gaeilge sa tír, agus na 2010’a. Bhí níos lú ná 12 daltaí i mo scoil fhéin ar dtús. Bhí idir 100-200 daoine ag críochnú san córas oideachas le Gaeilge gach bhliain. Anois tá idir 4-6,000 gach bhliain.



Five Hundred - A story of the Cornish language









E Kreiz an Noz - Youenn Gwernig

E kreiz an noz me 'glev an avel
O vlejal war lein an ti
Avel, avelig c'hwezhit 'ta
Al lann en em gann ha d'an daoulamm
Kanit buan kan hor frankiz deomp ni

In the middle of the night I hear the wind
howling over the house
Wind, wind, will blow
over the moors during war
we sing with the winds of our freedom

Tá timpeall 2,000 focal sna 6 Teanga Ceilteach, Gaeilge, Mannanis, An Mean agus na Mion Cumraigh cosúil le ‘Ti’ ó an amhrán Breton, ‘E Kreiz an Noz’, agus bá chóir le aon focal nua, go háirithe tearmaí oifigúil agus teicnicúil, a bheith mar in gceanna trasna an bhórd. Tá na figuirí i gCorn na Breataine idir 2-5,000 anois, sa Mhannanis, 4—6,000 agus san Alban tá idir 60-70% i bhfabhar Gaeilge sna scoileanna. Is féidir na aistí anuas a léamh ma ‘clicking tú na links x 1 nó x 2 más gá. Is cinnte go bhfuil ceachtanna le thógáil dá cás na Gaeilge is na teanganaí Gaelach uilig ó an Eabhrais agus scéal na cainteoirí Amaraic san Iosrael. Bhí an grin deireanach ag Ó Brádaigh, Ó Cadhain agus An Bhean Usual Ellen Cuffe, Seanadóir, Uactaráin & Cathairlach Conradh-Na-Gaeilge, Cúige Laighin, go cínnte.

Ni thuigim cad ata tu ag iarraidh chruthu. Tar eis an tsaoil, ta an teanga ag dul i laghad. B'fheidir nil si i ndeireadh a saoil thiar, ach nil si ina usaid mar theanga laethuil nios mo!!!
 

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But surely Palestinians can enjoy human rights without wanting to kill all Jews
Is that too much to ask?
Zionists certainly can't seem to stop murdering Palestinians or stealing their land :mad:
 
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There is no such thing as stealing land from Balestinians. They have never owned this land!

As a collective, they have never existed till the 1960's, and even then, their "leaders" have claimed their rasion d'etre is to destroy Israel, not to have a separate life as a nation in the arabdom.
 

Buchaill Dana

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There is no such thing as stealing land from Balestinians. They have never owned this land!

As a collective, they have never existed till the 1960's, and even then, their "leaders" have claimed their rasion d'etre is to destroy Israel, not to have a separate life as a nation in the arabdom.
Keep telling yourself that petal
 

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The descendents of 5000 Jewish Hungarian refugees who we let in would not be around today but for what Ireland did so the Israeli media is just peddling nonsense. We dont massacre people unlike Israel against countless Palestinians.
 

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The descendents of 5000 Jewish Hungarian refugees who we let in would not be around today but for what Ireland did so the Israeli media is just peddling nonsense. We dont massacre people unlike Israel against countless Palestinians.

The Israeli media has never yet told the public about the nazi criminals who sought refuge in Ireland after WWII.

Ireland is usually taken as a green calm place, and not many Israelis are interested in Irish political views about the conflict. But lately, that is the last two years, have seen an increase - a huge one - in the irish bad publicity, that involves the BDSM and the Irish support of balestinian terrorists.

They connect it to the IRA, but eventually many Israelis will understand that leftistics like leftistics, it doesn't matter where they are, they will always be against Israel, as they are against zionism.

Thus Ireland is becoming more and more part of the "against us" side, and as part of the antisemitic part of Europe, like the Labour, Corbyn, Galloway, Swedish government ministers, Spanish politicians, and Roger Waters.
 
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