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Why is Ireland so anti-semitic?


darkhorse4

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I can't tell you what to do nor how to live your life, but there's a million and one other pubs where you can enjoy a pint free from that lark.

David Shayler: Works for organization which collects information which results in the deaths of innocent people; destroys the lives of thousands of workers; dresses as woman; presents itself as fun loving and harmless Palestinian Human Rights Activist..

The primary difference is the tone of the language, and not the ideology.
No I disagree
Its a public house and a licenced premises
If I am in that area I dont see why I should have to avoid that pub just because its full of Jew haters and racists
Any such premises has a duty to ensure its clients are not beaten up, attacked or abused by its regulars
 

Antóin Mac Comháin

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No I disagree
Its a public house and a licenced premises
If I am in that area I dont see why I should have to avoid that pub just because its full of Jew haters and racists
You don't have to avoid the pub, nor should you, but why rent your head space to such people, when there's millions of other premises where you can enjoy a pint?

Any such premises has a duty to ensure its clients are not beaten up, attacked or abused by its regulars
That maybe so, but I think you're missing the point of going for a pint. Having to demand your rights defeats the purpose, and your night out becomes about them and not you.

Some situations are unavoidable, but that's not one of them. You are powerless over what they think and say, but you are not powerless over making yourself available to be at the receiving end of it. The journalists will move on to the next controversy they can find, and the lads will move on to the next target of abuse. Think of it as you would an unhealthy relationship and detach from it.
 

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You don't have to avoid the pub, nor should you, but why rent your head space to such people, when there's millions of other premises where you can enjoy a pint?



That maybe so, but I think you're missing the point of going for a pint. Having to demand your rights defeats the purpose, and your night out becomes about them and not you.

Some situations are unavoidable, but that's not one of them. You are powerless over what they think and say, but you are not powerless over making yourself available to be at the receiving end of it. The journalists will move on to the next controversy they can find, and the lads will move on to the next target of abuse. Think of it as you would an unhealthy relationship and detach from it.
But I think you are missing the point
Very few if anyone goes for a pint on their own
Normally its a group and someone arranges to meet up somewhere - be that business or leisure
And if they decide to go somewhere like that Bogside Inn or similar then I would have no choice
Thats why the licencing laws need to make sure these things dont happen again
 

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Whatever
Denial always makes one feel better about oneself .. for a time
The darkhorse4 model of thread debating:
  1. Accuse everyone else of being an asshole without any evidence;
  2. Contradict anyone who disagrees with the notion that everyone else is an asshole; and
  3. Cite the contradictions as being the evidence that everyone else is an asshole.
It is a flexible model, capable of being adapted to many topics.😂

[PS - Buy a mirror]
 

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But again, what is semitism?
Please stop refusing to tell us what it is, while accusing us of being against it
 

Golah veNekhar

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The difference is he wants the zionazis to like him and thinks it possible they will tolerate his 'liberal opposition', but you and I know, the zionazis brook no opposition and will put their arm around him as a friend, while at the same time they eat him alive :oops::(:ROFLMAO:
I can honestly say that I like both roc and Tele/Anglophile and that I want them to like me, but it is exactly because I like that I see the psychological, cultural, emotional and ethical damage they are doing to themselves with the old Zionazism and as a fellow human being I am trying to reach out and help the silly creatures- did you see that on the more Nationalistic Irish politics forum that darling Yeshiva laddie Telstar 62 who is "Anglophile" over there said that he believes that Tommy "Jews are the most oppressed people ever and I love Israel" Robinson hates Jews? Imagine a member of your own family living in that type of crazy head space?

You absolutely right though that there can be absolutely no compromise with Zionazism. Oslo turned out even worse than Edward Said predicted and just as Israel Shahak who understood the exact nature of Zionazism in a way that probably no one else was capable of doing, to me Arafat with his massive ego was almost as big a criminal in the end as David Ben Gurion.
 

Golah veNekhar

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But again, what is semitism?
Please stop refusing to tell us what it is, while accusing us of being against it
If you want to understand the "Semitism" of roc_ and the "Semitism" that darkhorse4 cheers on from the sidelines these books written by people from Palestine from Jewish backgrounds are an excellent place to start. Be warned though "The wandering who?" is a lot more full on and controversial than "How I stopped Being a Jew" is.

Amazon.com: How I Stopped Being a Jew (9781781686140): Shlomo Sand, David Fernbach: Books

The Wandering Who: Gilad Atzmon: 9781846948756: Amazon.com: Books

You are not going to get an answer to your very legitimate question from the Zionazis, a pound to a penny.
 

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I can honestly say that I like both roc and Tele/Anglophile and that I want them to like me, but it is exactly because I like that I see the psychological, cultural, emotional and ethical damage they are doing to themselves with the old Zionazism and as a fellow human being I am trying to reach out and help the silly creatures- did you see that on the more Nationalistic Irish politics forum that darling Yeshiva laddie Telstar 62 who is "Anglophile" over there said that he believes that Tommy "Jews are the most oppressed people ever and I love Israel" Robinson hates Jews? Imagine a member of your own family living in that type of crazy head space?

You absolutely right though that there can be absolutely no compromise with Zionazism. Oslo turned out even worse than Edward Said predicted and just as Israel Shahak who understood the exact nature of Zionazism in a way that probably no one else was capable of doing, to me Arafat with his massive ego was almost as big a criminal in the end as David Ben Gurion.
I fundamentally disagree with the use of the term Zionazism. While you can draw some comparisons, as I have elsewhere on this thread, Zionism and Nazism are unrelated philosophies, and the use if the term Zionazism is, always and everywhere, a deliberate insult and provocation.

However the expansion of Israel does have echoes of other expansions in the past:
“...Israel has expanded by force of arms. After every stage in this expansion Israel has appealed to ‘reason’ and has suggested ‘negotiations’. This is the traditional route of the imperial power, because it wishes to consolidate with the least difficulty what it has already taken by violence. Every new conquest becomes the new basis of the proposed negotiation from strength, which ignores the injustice of the previous aggression. The aggression committed by Israel must be condemned, not only because no state has the right to annexe foreign territory, but because every expansion is an experiment to discover how much more aggression the world will tolerate.”

Bertrand Russell, 31 January 1970.
 

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I fundamentally disagree with the use of the term Zionazism. While you can draw some comparisons, as I have elsewhere on this thread, Zionism and Nazism are unrelated philosophies, and the use if the term Zionazism is, always and everywhere, a deliberate insult and provocation.
Do you know the origins of the term? The original phrase was Judaeo-Nazism and it was coined by the second greatest Modern Orthodox Jewish Theologian of the 20 th century. Zionazism is the watered down version. Hitlerism and Zionism have a hell of a lot in common in that both believe in an ethnic will to power and to hell with concepts of universal reason and justice- all that matters is the "folk". Also originally Zionism was extremely into eugenics. Both come out of Social Darwinism- just read Max Nordau and Joseph Klausner . Yes I know about Canaanism and I do have a lot of respect for people like Martin Buber, however there is a reason Canaanism today goes by the name Post-Zionism, and even original Canaanists such as Boaz Evron and Uri Avnery began calling themselves Post-Zionists in the 1990s. A Jewess from Palestine living here who I am becoming friends with after looking at Stormfront was puzzled as to why they hate Jews so much given that they were all so much like Jews living in Palestine. This was a very good point.
 

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I fundamentally disagree with the use of the term Zionazism. While you can draw some comparisons, as I have elsewhere on this thread, Zionism and Nazism are unrelated philosophies, and the use if the term Zionazism is, always and everywhere, a deliberate insult and provocation.

However the expansion of Israel does have echoes of other expansions in the past:
“...Israel has expanded by force of arms. After every stage in this expansion Israel has appealed to ‘reason’ and has suggested ‘negotiations’. This is the traditional route of the imperial power, because it wishes to consolidate with the least difficulty what it has already taken by violence. Every new conquest becomes the new basis of the proposed negotiation from strength, which ignores the injustice of the previous aggression. The aggression committed by Israel must be condemned, not only because no state has the right to annexe foreign territory, but because every expansion is an experiment to discover how much more aggression the world will tolerate.”

Bertrand Russell, 31 January 1970.
A lot of people do not understand the significance of the West Bank to Zionism, there was a huge reason that the Settlements were pulled from Gaza but not from the West Bank. The West Bank is the heartland of the Bible. It's conquest meant more to Zionism than outsiders can understand and withdrawal from there a lot of Jewish Zionists feel would de-legitimatize Zionism per se.
 

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Do you know the origins of the term? The original phrase was Judaeo-Nazism and it was coined by the second greatest Modern Orthodox Jewish Theologian of the 20 th century. Zionazism is the watered down version. Hitlerism and Zionism have a hell of a lot in common in that both believe in an ethnic will to power and to hell with concepts of universal reason and justice- all that matters is the "folk". Also originally Zionism was extremely into eugenics. Both come out of Social Darwinism- just read Max Nordau and Joseph Klausner . Yes I know about Canaanism and I do have a lot of respect for people like Martin Buber, however there is a reason Canaanism today goes by the name Post-Zionism, and even original Canaanists such as Boaz Evron and Uri Avnery began calling themselves Post-Zionists in the 1990s. A Jewess from Palestine living here who I am becoming friends with after looking at Stormfront was puzzled as to why they hate Jews so much given that they were all so much like Jews living in Palestine. This was a very good point.
Is there a tiny part of you thinks this this legitimizes the use of that term, that it lessens by one iota the insult and provocation.

To quote BOD, "knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad".
 

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A lot of people do not understand the significance of the West Bank to Zionism, there was a huge reason that the Settlements were pulled from Gaza but not from the West Bank. The West Bank is the heartland of the Bible. It's conquest meant more to Zionism than outsiders can understand and withdrawal from there a lot of Jewish Zionists feel would de-legitimatize Zionism per se.
The Jews were not the only people in the Bible, and the West Bank is very significant to those who were and are living there. Ask any of the non-Jewish residents of the West Bank if "It's conquest meant more to Zionism than outsiders can understand".
 

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Is there a tiny part of you thinks this this legitimizes the use of that term, that it lessens by one iota the insult and provocation.

To quote BOD, "knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad".
I hate bourgeois dinner parties which the duties of the married state sometimes force me to go to. I would not use the term at a bourgeois dinner party. However this is not such a thing. Anyway "Gas the Arabs!" is an increasingly replacing "Death to Arabs!" as a slogan of choice in Palestine.
 

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I hate bourgeois dinner parties which the duties of the married state sometimes force me to go to. I would not use the term at a bourgeois dinner party. However this is not such a thing. Anyway "Gas the Arabs!" is an increasingly replacing "Death to Arabs!" as a slogan of choice in Palestine.
Have you been at the sherry?
 

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The Jews were not the only people in the Bible, and the West Bank is very significant to those who were and are living there. Ask any of the non-Jewish residents of the West Bank if "It's conquest meant more to Zionism than outsiders can understand".
Until Zionist colonization the West Bank did not change in terms of genetics from Biblical times outside of the coming in of the Bedouin. This is the thing- Zionism is founded on the myth of the Roman Exile which never happened.
 

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Stephen Lawrence: officer who allegedly spied on family named

Theresa May, when she was home secretary, called revelations about his deployment “profoundly shocking and disturbing”, and said they had damaged the reputation of the police.

An undercover police officer accused of spying on the family of the murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence has been officially identified as David Hagan. - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/stephen-lawrence-police-officer-allegedly-spied-family-identified-david-hagan

There’s approximately 4-500,000 people who came from the Caribbean living in the United Kingdom, and South Africa has a population of approximately 60,000,000, but the resources poured into spying on the Lawrence family and their circle of friends, exceeded the resources poured into STRATCOM to undermine Winnie Mandela and the African National Congress. The case needs to be seen within the context of a family who come from a small minority, being targeted by the State Secret Services, to fully appreciate the scale of the injustice, whose final measure as we can see about the latest revelations, we still don't know.
Amber Rudd refuses to meet Stephen Lawrence's dad to discuss being spied on | Metro News - Stephen Lawrences father has revealed that Amber Rudd is refusing to meet him as he tries to find out why he was spied on after his sons death. We were grieving and someone felt it necessary to send people into my house to spy on us. The crime was outside my house but they spent the money to send undercover police into my house, that money could have been spent on finding the people who carried out the murder. I want answers. But the Home Secretary will not even reply to my letters.
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Police infiltrated trade unions providing information to construction industry about worker blacklist, hear campaigners

'When we first talked about police collusion in blacklisting, people thought we were conspiracy theorists,' says Dave Smith, secretary of the Blacklist Support Group - Police ‘infiltrated’ trade unions, campaigners told
Francis is one of the SDS cops, who identifies a number of other cops by number whose role was to investigate the Lawrence family and their network of friends, in order to smear them or to incriminate them..
MI5 Career - Shayler joined MI5 in October 1991 after responding to an oblique job advertisement in The Observer titled.. He started work in F branch, which dealt with counter-subversion, including the monitoring of left-wing groups and activists, where he worked vetting Labour Party politicians prior to the 1992 election, later being transferred to T branch, which handled Irish terrorism, in August 1992. Shayler moved again, to G9 branch, responsible for Middle Eastern terrorism where he reportedly headed the Libyan desk as G9A/5.

Headscarves and turbans to be allowed as part of Garda uniform ... Garda Commissioner Drew Harris announced new rules about ... Female Muslim gardaí will be permitted to wear headscarves under new rules ...

Britain: Observer exposes police spy in the Socialist Party

David Shayler: Works for organization which collects information which results in the deaths of innocent people; destroys the lives of thousands of workers; dresses as woman; presents itself as fun loving and harmless Palestinian Human Rights Activist..
Internet ban for Armagh man charged over death threat - "Mr Burns was further charged with making similar threats to Mayor of London Sadiq Khan on Facebook in December. The accused was arrested on April 11th. The court heard that during interview Mr Burns said he had far-right political leanings and negative sentiment towards minorities, Muslims and LGBT people."

Whoever owns that pub should be told in no uncertain terms by the police that racism is not permitted in a public licenced premises and they will lose their license if they allow it to continue.
‘Step towards integration’

The Muslims Sisters of Éire said it wishes to “acknowledge and celebrate” the decision that the wearing of the turban and the hijab will be allowed.

“It is a step towards integration and societal cohesion when our policing forces are welcome to visually represent people of all backgrounds, faiths and none,” the group said.

Especially in times of increasing tear towards Muslims, welcoming Muslim gardaí force members to keep their religious attire can greatly assist in irradiating Islamophobic attitudes and discrimination towards people of faith.

The Immigrant Council of Ireland tweeted that the decision is “really encouraging news”.

Meanwhile, the Garda Representative Association (GRA) has described Harris’ decision as a “useful measure”.

“We welcome any reasonable measure such as the relaxation of rules on uniform to facilitate recruitment of people from non-Christian backgrounds – and are open to other approaches for bringing people born outside Ireland into the force irrespective of their religion or ethnicity,” GRA General Secretary Pat Ennis said.

The new approach being taken by An Garda Síochána is in line with that adopted by police services such as the PSNI, Police Scotland, New Zealand Police, NYPD, and other police services in UK, Australia and Canada.

But I think you are missing the point..

Thats why the licencing laws need to make sure these things dont happen again
Funds call for bomb victim campaign

Campaigners for victims of the Dublin Monaghan bombings have called on the Government to reinstate funding needed to keep fighting for justice. Justice for the Forgotten will mark the 36th anniversary of the blasts with a memorial service to honour the 34 people, including an unborn baby, killed in the bomb attacks. Chairperson Bernie McNally appealed for ministers to restore funding which she said has been completely withdrawn. Without it the group will have to close down at the end of June.

"Our Government is failing to honour its obligations to victims which it signed up to in the Good Friday Agreement," said Ms McNally.
"There is no question of funding being withdrawn from the many victims' organisations in Northern Ireland at this time.

"We are being discriminated against simply because of our location." - Funds call for bomb victim campaign

OK, if you want to make a complaint about Anti-Semiticism or Racism to an entity whose Institutionalized Racism Theresa May described as embarrassing knock yourself out lad.

As you can see from the recent case in Newry, the States already have the ability to prosecute people in one country for making comments about someone in another country. The odds of a teenager traveling from the 6 Counties to New Zealand to carry out the threat are slim-to-none. The same people have money to squander on that, but when it comes to dealing with cases of Sectarianism in Ireland the same Police claim that there is no money to continue with their inquiries?

[B]Dave Shayler Christ[/B]‏ @[B]Gods_Spy[/B] Apr 16 "Dave Shayler Christ Retweeted IPSC - Nothing can wash the indelible stain of the blood of the innocent from Israeli hands"

The organization Shayler worked for supplied the Intelligence and the material used to murder 34 people in the Dublin and Monaghan Bombings.
 
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