Why is the justice system so lenient.

Lagertha

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The traveler gangs, as one example, who prey on the vulnerable elderly will never be 'rehabilitated'. Bang them up large scale.
The media won't even refer to the Traveler feuding in Drogheda as being Traveler related, they won't go further than saying traveling gangs with the emphasis being on minimising the Traveler aspect as an ethnic thing. There's been no request from RTE or any other media organisation to have Pavee Point comment on what's happening in Drogheda or on the need for Operation Thor or any of the other Garda Operations that were set up to tackle Traveler crime, especially targeting rural Ireland.
 


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Could we have a trial first?

You'll find that the members of gangs found guilty of those attacks get sentenced appropriately, for example the ringleaers of the gang who terrorised the family in Clonmel got 18 years, 15 years, 14 years and 12 years with the final four suspended (after appeal)

Similarly, another gang who attacked pensioners in Limerick got 17 years, 15 years and 14 years with the final three years suspended.
and attacks did peter out somewhat after this sentence. The justice system acted in this case because there was a fear that the law was not been taken serious by Citizens anymore and there was a fear that vigilantism could take the place of the legal system.
 

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Could we have a trial first?

You'll find that the members of gangs found guilty of those attacks get sentenced appropriately, for example the ringleaers of the gang who terrorised the family in Clonmel got 18 years, 15 years, 14 years and 12 years with the final four suspended (after appeal)

Similarly, another gang who attacked pensioners in Limerick got 17 years, 15 years and 14 years with the final three years suspended.
When found guilty hit the f*ckers hard with a proper sentence.
 

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and attacks did peter out somewhat after this sentence. The justice system acted in this case because there was a fear that the law was not been taken serious by Citizens anymore and there was a fear that vigilantism could take the place of the legal system.
The trio convicted for the assaults in Limerick are appealing their judgments as we speak. It will be interesting to see what the Court of Appeal does here.
 

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There's a family of vermin from a regeneration area of Limerick that moved out to Clare about 10+ years ago, one of the sons married into a settled Traveler family who are scum but this lad is dangerous vermin who even though he's only in his late 20's already has an extensive criminal record. I noticed the other day that the wife is now pursuing a bogus car crash claim on behalf of their son, now believe me when I say that this little fat spawn of Satan would wobble like jelly if he impacted on anything. Nobody stand up for this kid because he's under 5 and already banned from the local corner shop for being abusive to staff and he doesn't even live here, just visits regularly.

This kid is growing up in a family where literally almost every single one of his male and female adult relatives is either in prison or has spent time in prison and these people are prolific breeders. His father is in prison now has another case coming up next month and his aunt and her boyfriend are both listed for prosecution by the DPP next month. It's an awful shame we don't have Eugenics because the only way of stopping this generational pond life spawning is sterilisation, that or death.
 

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There's a family of vermin from a regeneration area of Limerick that moved out to Clare about 10+ years ago, one of the sons married into a settled Traveler family who are scum but this lad is dangerous vermin who even though he's only in his late 20's already has an extensive criminal record. I noticed the other day that the wife is now pursuing a bogus car crash claim on behalf of their son, now believe me when I say that this little fat spawn of Satan would wobble like jelly if he impacted on anything. Nobody stand up for this kid because he's under 5 and already banned from the local corner shop for being abusive to staff and he doesn't even live here, just visits regularly.

This kid is growing up in a family where literally almost every single one of his male and female adult relatives is either in prison or has spent time in prison and these people are prolific breeders. His father is in prison now has another case coming up next month and his aunt and her boyfriend are both listed for prosecution by the DPP next month. It's an awful shame we don't have Eugenics because the only way of stopping this generational pond life spawning is sterilisation, that or death.
While I don't support Eugenics, I think we need a prison building program and emergency legislation to curtail planning objections to the prisons. The prisons are at bursting point, which ironically means judges suspend sentences. They have thousands in prison for fines. Priorities.
 

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A Romanian/Roma man who grabbed a drunk woman he found on the street, dragged her down an alley where he raped her and was found by the Gardai with his trousers around his ankles and his hands around her throat and who had to be physically dragged off her by the Gardai, is before the courts at the moment. His barrister is arguing that he was drunk and that wandering around Europe since 2006 leaving his wife and 3 kids behind is him being a great father who has made sacrifices for his kids.

The barrister is arguing that it's his first offence, in this country or that we know of? and that the court should take him being a married nomadic father who is a foreign national who would find it harder to do his time in prison here into consideration when sentencing. I'd like him to have the word ''RAPIST'' tattooed on his forehead so that everyone who ever sees him knows what he is. He should have a harsh sentence and then be deported with a ban on him ever returning to this country.

 

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There is a lot of cronyism in the Irish legal system. And the Irish political system. This results in a "nod and wink" situation.
 

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Foreigners who have been found guilty of crimes should be thrown out , sent home and barred. Locals like the scum bags mentioned who live in Clare and recidivists should be electrocuted.. put down euthanized, or worse still have their dole and all state benefits cut off, change the entitlement attitude , maybe branded on the forehead, and not allowed to travel to Ponto Fungas or wherever they go on holidays
 

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Foreigners who have been found guilty of crimes should be thrown out , sent home and barred. Locals like the scum bags mentioned who live in Clare and recidivists should be electrocuted.. put down euthanized, or worse still have their dole and all state benefits cut off, change the entitlement attitude , maybe branded on the forehead, and not allowed to travel to Ponto Fungas or wherever they go on holidays
Does this include people like Mr Bailey, found guilty of murder in a French court last week?
 

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What about this guy?


A group of kids assault his wife by throwing liquid over her while she is working as a cleaner. He arrives to assist his wife, gets racial abuse, then slaps one of the children, and he ends up with a conviction for assault.

While he shouldn't have hit an 11 year old child, something has to be done about these gangs of feral children.
 

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While I don't support Eugenics, I think we need a prison building program and emergency legislation to curtail planning objections to the prisons. The prisons are at bursting point, which ironically means judges suspend sentences. They have thousands in prison for fines. Priorities.
What thousands are in prison for fines?
 

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14 months for attempted murder. Comical Justice system.

You'd begin to wonder if there isn't a level of market rigging involved here.

The economic value of a skobie to the legal business would be seriously impacted if he/she served real time - imagine only getting to defend a scumbag once a decade!!!

Now if the same scumbag is in/out of jail and getting convicted 10 times during the same decade, well the legal sector wins BIGTIME. Judges are drawn from the legal eagles, who have a habit of inter-marrying and keeping the business "in the family", so there's a real correlation - intended or unintended - between # of convictions and their progeny's income and lifestyle.
 

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14 months for attempted murder. Comical Justice system.

We really do need to make incapacitation one of the principal objectives of sentencing. The report says that this vicious thug has 'a number' of previous convictions.

Had he been subject to increasingly long sentences earlier in his criminal career he might have been locked up on the day in question and his innocent victim would have had just another day on the job.
 


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