Why is the justice system so lenient?

Dame_Enda

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In the 18th century the model of legal services was as a business and therefore about making profit. Ireland inherited this antiquated system from the UK. Many TDs and Senators hail from the legal profession. This is an inherent conflict of interest, and repeated suspended and lenient sentences are part of what greases the wheel of profit in this sector, owing to recividivism and repeated trials and retrials.

in the U.S. they have something called a Public Defender - a government appointed lawyer you get in a trial if you can't afford a lawyer. This might or might not reduce the profiteering in the industry, as the electorate would demand value for taxpayers' money.
 


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If anything, elected politicians should be held to a higher standard to others yet the fact that this violent criminal is a councillor was taken into consideration when suspending his sentence.
 

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So, you think it's only white collar criminals who are treated with kid gloves by our system.


What does he get for his "colossal scam"? €750

He admitted to earning €2520 from the scam. That's a net profit of €1770

I'll take the money your honour as the old joke goes. As this f**ng joke of a justice system goes.
 

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If we want bigger sentencing for crimbos, we need to promote judges from working class backgrounds, They would not buy into the broking home, unmarried mother, blaa blaa stuff. They would do the decent people who have to live in areas that are terrorised by the scum a favour, and put them away for a long time.
 

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So, you think it's only white collar criminals who are treated with kid gloves by our system.


What does he get for his "colossal scam"? €750

He admitted to earning €2520 from the scam. That's a net profit of €1770

I'll take the money your honour as the old joke goes. As this f**ng joke of a justice system goes.
He also lost his plate, so you have to add that in.
 

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He also lost his plate, so you have to add that in.
He should have but he didn't.

"He was not currently working and decided because of his health and this case not to operate a taxi, “and does not know if he will ever go back”, his solicitor told the court."

He's voluntarily not operating a taxi currently but he may choose to do so in the future.

Fines for this sort of offence should be a multiple of the return the scam earns. A token fine like that is even less than a decent person would have to pay in tax on legitimate earnings.
 

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Mr Kavanagh told Judge Halpin he did not want to cause the driver too much upset at the rank and told him they could meet at the NTA inspection centre the following day, “and leave it until emotions had calmed down”.
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The device deceived people, he (the judge) also said.
There isn't much evidence of concern for the public from that article. It's a little more than deception as well. It is fraud plain and simple.

I agree with the poster above. If a few more judges came from working class backgrounds, there would be less of this patronising tolerance of wrong-doing by others from the same background, and no doubt for middle-class white collar criminals as well.
 

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Recidivist crim with 170 previous convictions and Judge finally does society a favour. Would love to see the actual cost to the Taxpayers of the 170 previous convictions. I reckon if you add it all up it come close to a million euro.

 

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This one is comical, recidivist crim with 50 previous convictions and his brief says "Mr Hughes is not yet a hardened criminal and that he is making efforts in prison to address his addiction problems" What stage does a crim become a "hardened criminal"?

 

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Judge defers sentencing for violent recidivist crims until next July. Scandalous that criminals are now also seen as victims in our Justice system.

 

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A Garda investigation into the affair is continuing.
Good to see this. We've a tendency in this country to drop matters like this when the injured party has an opportunity to recoup their losses. But, if there was a suggestion of fraud then it should be investigated as a criminal matter regardless.
 

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The Law Society Gazette recently reported on a new phenomenon in Irish jails, where “male-bodied” prisoners can now be housed with women – even when said prisoners have a record of sexual assault against women.

 

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And about time too.

Forget the taxi licence for a moment - the very fact that he claims he was having seizures should have seen his driving licence revoked.
100 % mate theres an uncle of mine had his license took cause he got eppilepsy....
 

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I thought I would recommend a great twitter page I have found which reports on Irish court cases in some detail, including ones we often don't hear about in the press.

 

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3 years then deportation feels reasonable for the below.
At an earlier sentencing hearing, Garda Aisling Gralton told Monika Leech BL, prosecuting, that on the morning in question a woman was on her way to work and walking near Connolly Station when the accused came up to her and grabbed her vagina.

Garda Gralton said the accused did not say anything and she pushed him away. The woman saw Firea grab the vaginas of two further women and recorded a video of what she was witnessing.

Garda Gralton said that on the same morning, a second woman was walking down Commons Street when she felt a hand come from behind her. She turned around and said something along the lines of “**** off”.

Firea laughed and made a gesture with his fingers indicating digital penetration. He then grabbed the woman’s buttocks.

A third woman was standing at a bus stop near Connolly Station that morning when the accused grabbed her vagina. She pushed his hand off her and he moved away quite slowly.

A fourth woman was going down the escalator of Connolly Station that morning and that once she disembarked the accused reached out and attempted to put his hand under her skirt, which she hit away. A homeless man came to her aid and shouted at the accused.

A description of Firea was circulated and a garda later saw the man urinating on the steps of Museum Luas Station. Two Luas security guards informed gardaí that when they refused the accused access to a tram, he “flashed” them by producing his genitals.
 


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