Why is the US still in Afghanistan - Minerals?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/world/asia/afghanistan-trump-mineral-deposits.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/07/27/dear-president-trump-afghanistans-minerals-arent-very-valuable-theyre-really-not/#85306b82615f

Trump might stay in Afghanistan for minerals - Business Insider

"President Trump, searching for a reason to keep the United States in Afghanistan after 16 years of war, has latched on to a prospect that tantalized previous administrations: Afghanistan’s vast mineral wealth, which his advisers and Afghan officials have told him could be profitably extracted by Western companies.

Stephen A. Feinberg, a billionaire financier who is informally advising Mr. Trump on Afghanistan, is also looking into ways to exploit the country’s minerals, according to a person who has briefed him. Mr. Feinberg owns a large military contracting firm, DynCorp International, which could play a role in guarding mines — a major concern, given that some of Afghanistan’s richest deposits are in areas controlled by the Taliban.

In 2010, American officials estimated that Afghanistan had untapped mineral deposits worth nearly $1 trillion, an estimate that was widely disputed at the time and has certainly fallen since, given the eroding price of commodities. But the $1 trillion figure is circulating again inside the White House, according to officials, who said it had caught the attention of Mr. Trump.

Trump thinks this prospect "could boost [Afghanistan's] economy, generate jobs for Americans and give the United States a valuable new beachhead in the market for rare-earth minerals, which has been all but monopolized by China," the Times said.

But deploying more troops to help guard mines for American companies would endanger US national security, Laurel Miller, a Rand Corporation analyst and former US diplomat to Afghanistan, told Business Insider.

It "would be an excellent propaganda point for the Taliban," Miller said, adding that "decisions based on sending troops are best made on national security interests."

Miller said that the national security risk would be eliminated if the US opened up bidding to companies worldwide, which would still benefit Afghanistan's economy too.

Opening up bidding, however, would risk American lives and treasure to help build Afghanistan's economy — something Trump said he opposed during the election.

The White House has been trying for months to figure out what to do about Afghanistan, and has been toying with the idea of sending 3,900 more US troops into the longest running war in American history, which is going on 16 years.

Trump has thus far seemed reluctant to deploy more troops, and even reportedly refused to sign off on H.R. McMaster's deployment plan, devised during a Cabinet meeting that was described as a "sh-- show.""
 


Cellachán Chaisil

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They should get their TK lemonade in Londis like everyone else.
 

mr_anderson

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The USA need to gtfo of Afghanistan.
Some days ago Trump met with a group of soldiers to hear about their experiences there.
I'd say they told him to bail.
 

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The USA need to gtfo of Afghanistan.
Some days ago Trump met with a group of soldiers to hear about their experiences there.
I'd say they told him to bail.
True he should cut and run like Reagan did from Lebanon in the 1980s. However, he seems to be looking for a reason to stay and a reason that would pay, hence the Mineral thing for the Rare Earth Metals. The Pipeline is also an incentive to stay I guess?
 

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The Tesla project (R.I.P.) was going to require huge amounts of cobalt if it ever came off, but since that nice Mr Musk is now having to go down the junk bond route to finance his little scam he might not be needing it after all.

But anyway, others might and they'll be wanting all that good stuff in the ground -

“The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is-worth-waging-afghanistan-s-vast-reserves-of-minerals-and-natural-gas/19769
 

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Now hang on a minute - are you telling me the Brits and the Yanks might not be in Afghanistan to build democracy ?
 

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The USA really need to get the hell out and stop interfering in that part of the world, they only make everything so much worse.
 

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They are still there because they never had a proper plan. They went in and they hymned and hawed about what to do.

Firsts all they wanted was to topple the Taliban, then rebuild, then they took their eye off it when they went into Iraq, tried to reenergise the effort in 06 found the Taliban were back in force, tried fighting them with what they had for a few years that didn't work, decided they needed a surge but did not commit enough to the surge like they had in Iraq, in doing so did not fully defeat the Taliban so they cant pull out because the Taliban will topple the government and army they have put in place. They now have no appetite for another surge like effort but don't want to make the same mistake they made in Iraq so cant really pull out. All in all pretty messy they, couldn't pick a plan and stick with it. Why politics and military campaigns don't really go well together.
 

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Now hang on a minute - are you telling me the Brits and the Yanks might not be in Afghanistan to build democracy ?
LOL.

But to be fair, whilst having other reasons, they have tried to set one up there, as with Iraq and elsewhere in recent years. Democracy isn't exactly an easy thing to get going, though.
 

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Their ties to Human Traffikers are also well known. Another field in which Afghanistan is a world leader unfortunately.
The CIA turned a blind eye to many anti-communist groups during the Cold War that also dealt with drugs. It's dated by now though, and was overstated then too. I'm quite sure the arts of cloak and dagger involve segments of unsavoury elements, but that's true with most government dealings, but it gets into fringe radical chic anti-Americanism to go with the bogeyman label, especially by claiming they're the reason kids are listed on missing person posters and whatnot.
 

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Afghanistan the State, had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks so what leagl basis do US Troops / Blackwater mercenaries have a right to be in Afghanistan?

The war is a phoney. A racket. A lie. A fraud. Like the 9/11 attacks itself.

9/11 was an obvious inside job sub-contracted to Saudi Arabia right up to the Saudi Royal Family.

But the USA can invade any country they want and kill anyone they deem suitable and nobody will take them to court or bat an eyelid.

The US are well back in bed with Al Qaeda these days in Syria and Libya just like when they were in Afghanistan in 1979 with their trusted Saudi operative Tim Osman aka O B Ladin. Was there a time that Uncle Sam was never allied with Al Qaeda?
 

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Afghanistan the State, had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks so what leagl basis do US Troops / Blackwater mercenaries have a right to be in Afghanistan?

The war is a phoney. A racket. A lie. A fraud. Like the 9/11 attacks itself.

9/11 was an obvious inside job sub-contracted to Saudi Arabia right up to the Saudi Royal Family.

But the USA can invade any country they want and kill anyone they deem suitable and nobody will take them to court or bat an eyelid.

The US are well back in bed with Al Qaeda these days in Syria and Libya just like when they were in Afghanistan in 1979 with their trusted Saudi operative Tim Osman aka O B Ladin. Was there a time that Uncle Sam was never allied with Al Qaeda?
Of course it has something to do with 9.11 and other AQ attacks...the Taliban harboured them.

It's not just the US there...it was even UN authorised and has had an international coalition there since 9.11.

9.11 was no fake nor are they in bed with AQ...c'mon.
 

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LOL.

But to be fair, whilst having other reasons, they have tried to set one up there, as with Iraq and elsewhere in recent years. Democracy isn't exactly an easy thing to get going, though.
Maybe, but only if its their democratically elected guy :lol:- as with the US democracy its not just the counting of votes, its all the shenanigans that goes on in the background
 

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. . . "President Trump, searching for a reason to keep the United States in Afghanistan after 16 years of war, has latched on to a prospect that tantalized previous administrations: Afghanistan’s vast mineral wealth, which his advisers and Afghan officials have told him could be profitably extracted by Western companies. . . .
As usual, Trump's a feckin' eejit. Just like claiming he would justify involvement in Iraq and elsewhere by taking their oil.

First, it's just another spin/lie to cover his BS attacks on past politicians of convenience when appealing to isolationist voters. Second, it's an instant appeal to his greedy nature. Third, and linked to the others, if there was any legitimate reason for something, he has a knack for citing a slimy terrible reason instead even if it's BS or wishful thinking, e.g.,

Person A: "Hey, ye might really want to hire this woman. She has a superb CV. She's attractive, skilled, articulate, smart and charming. And she has great ideas and contacts for the future."
Trump: "Yeah, bring her on. I sense she's a real slapper and you can probably shift the bird if you're suggestive to her at work or take her out for dinner and drinks and she thinks she'll get somewhere up the ladder with you."
 
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