Why is the US still in Afghanistan - Minerals?

rainmaker

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Well, it is said drug money was what helped keep the banking industry from bankruptcy during the global financial crisis. And banking is the most important industry of the Empire.
Really, who made such a ridiculous claim then - was it someone on your beloved Russia Today's staff by any chance?

To prevent the worlds banking industry from collapsing you would need thousands of trillions of dollars - as lucrative as it is the drug dealing industry would need every single man woman & child on earth to have a massive daily crack habit.

Your posts require the reader to be as credulous as their author.
 


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The President of the United States now, is it? Not the fat, incompetent, mendacious fool, the joke, the misogynist, the racist of last month!



Would you prefer the Taliban back, Or Islamic State?
No, but the use of whataboutery does not change what the US is doing there right now.

They are even f*cking their own soldiers over FFS.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html

“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”
As soon as you start to trade off children for whatever it is you think you need, YOU are the villain.

IS and the Taliban are now the Police and the army in many cases. Why go to the bother of hiding in a cave when you can join the police and abuse to your hearts content, eh?
 

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The claims of one man who has repeatedly refused to provide any evidence. Even then he claimed only some banks - not the entire global system, and I think we can safely guess which countries they might be:

"Inter-bank loans were funded by money that originated from the drugs trade and other illegal activities... There were signs that some banks were rescued that way." Costa declined to identify countries or banks that may have received any drugs money, saying that would be inappropriate
Also from the end of your own link:

British bankers would want to see any evidence that Costa has to back his claims. A British Bankers' Association spokesman said: "We have not been party to any regulatory dialogue that would support a theory of this kind. There was clearly a lack of liquidity in the system and to a large degree this was filled by the intervention of central banks."
 
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How do injections of capital prevent a banking collapse?
Don't answer a question with a question, you supported the claim that drug money saved the global banking system - well then explain how, because that link does no such thing.
 

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Don't answer a question with a question, you supported the claim that drug money saved the global banking system - well then explain how, because that link does no such thing.
So you want me to explain how a bank taking in large sums of money from drugs cartels wouldn't prevent them from collapsing. Or do you want to me to explain how failing banks pose a threat to the financial system generally.

I'm not going to do either. I have grown very tired of your constant apologies and justifications for the most murderous aspects of our western capitalist systems and what activities are engaged in to ensure its maintenance.

Winding you up doesn't even bring me any bit of enjoyment anymore, not that it did much of that to begin with. I regret engaging with you, it won't happen again.

Yawn.
 

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So you want me to explain how a bank taking in large sums of money from drugs cartels wouldn't prevent them from collapsing.
No, how they saved the global banking system - you backed up a claim now support it. You seem to be having difficulty & the one link you did provide did not support those claims.

Winding you up doesn't even bring me any bit of enjoyment anymore, not that it did much of that to begin with
I think everyone can see that bravado for the embarrassing attempt at face saving it clearly is.
 

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Don't answer a question with a question, you supported the claim that drug money saved the global banking system - well then explain how, because that link does no such thing.
It's perfectly legitimate to do so if the second question leads to the answer requested.
 

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It's perfectly legitimate to do so if the second question leads to the answer requested.
Perhaps, but it is patently obvious that this poster was not doing that and was actually deflecting from the fact that they are unable to answer the reasonable & simple question they were asked - a regular feature of this users posting style.
 

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I keep hearing about this mythical 'pipeline'. Funnily enough the conspiraloons used it a lot when talkabout the Iraq war, and then they simply transferred this mythical pipeline motive to the Afghan war.

Where is this pipeline going to and from where is it coming - and more importantly what is it supposed to be carrying. If you could use credible sources to explain it would also be a great help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmenistan–Afghanistan–Pakistan–India_Pipeline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Oil_Pipeline

The pipelines will probably never be secured given the chaotic situation in the Country which the US and allies have been totally unable to resolve after 16 Years.
 

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The best way for the US to exit is to leave a strong Afghanistan and that can only be done with a strong Afghan economy.
I completely agree that the Afghani economy needs to be developed and the minerals (if they are as lucrative as reported) would be a boon to the Afghan GDP but after 16 years of failure it is unlikely that the US is going to bring enough stability to secure a long term resource extraction program. Look on the bright-side though if they stay in Afghanistan for another 4 years they'll be eligible for a gold watch!!:p It must be the longest continuous deployment of US forces overseas at this point. Time to admit failure and cut and run just like Reagan did from the Lebanon in the 1980s.
 

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How do you bring civilisation to people who want to live in the stone age ?

You can't.
 

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How do you bring civilisation to people who want to live in the stone age ?

You can't.
Exactly which is why they should be left to their own devices, change needs to come from within not by outside interference, let them live their lives while we live ours separate from theirs.
 

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How do you bring civilisation to people who want to live in the stone age ?

You can't.
They are not in the stone age. Stone age people don't use IED's and Kalashnikovs. They maybe medieval in their mindset but are fully 21st Century in their tactics and weaponry. That's how they sent the Soviets packing and have kept the US spinning for 16 years. The US is looking for a reason to hang around hence the obsession with the minerals so they don't lose face.
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/world/asia/afghanistan-trump-mineral-deposits.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/07/27/dear-president-trump-afghanistans-minerals-arent-very-valuable-theyre-really-not/#85306b82615f

Trump might stay in Afghanistan for minerals - Business Insider

"President Trump, searching for a reason to keep the United States in Afghanistan after 16 years of war, has latched on to a prospect that tantalized previous administrations: Afghanistan’s vast mineral wealth, which his advisers and Afghan officials have told him could be profitably extracted by Western companies.

Stephen A. Feinberg, a billionaire financier who is informally advising Mr. Trump on Afghanistan, is also looking into ways to exploit the country’s minerals, according to a person who has briefed him. Mr. Feinberg owns a large military contracting firm, DynCorp International, which could play a role in guarding mines — a major concern, given that some of Afghanistan’s richest deposits are in areas controlled by the Taliban.

In 2010, American officials estimated that Afghanistan had untapped mineral deposits worth nearly $1 trillion, an estimate that was widely disputed at the time and has certainly fallen since, given the eroding price of commodities. But the $1 trillion figure is circulating again inside the White House, according to officials, who said it had caught the attention of Mr. Trump.

Trump thinks this prospect "could boost [Afghanistan's] economy, generate jobs for Americans and give the United States a valuable new beachhead in the market for rare-earth minerals, which has been all but monopolized by China," the Times said.

But deploying more troops to help guard mines for American companies would endanger US national security, Laurel Miller, a Rand Corporation analyst and former US diplomat to Afghanistan, told Business Insider.

It "would be an excellent propaganda point for the Taliban," Miller said, adding that "decisions based on sending troops are best made on national security interests."

Miller said that the national security risk would be eliminated if the US opened up bidding to companies worldwide, which would still benefit Afghanistan's economy too.

Opening up bidding, however, would risk American lives and treasure to help build Afghanistan's economy — something Trump said he opposed during the election.

The White House has been trying for months to figure out what to do about Afghanistan, and has been toying with the idea of sending 3,900 more US troops into the longest running war in American history, which is going on 16 years.

Trump has thus far seemed reluctant to deploy more troops, and even reportedly refused to sign off on H.R. McMaster's deployment plan, devised during a Cabinet meeting that was described as a "sh-- show.""
A suggestion, read about mineral extraction by Persians, Hellenic Greeks, Indians, Chinese, etc in ancient Afghanistan. The place is full of minerals.
 

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... "President Trump, searching for a reason to keep the United States in Afghanistan after 16 years of war ...
You'd do well to read up on Mahan and Mackinder.

The US Navy dominates the world's oceans but America also needs bases inside Europe and Asia if it is to maintain its global dominance and its prosperity.

You can see from the map the value of Afghanistan as a base; particularly, at the present time, in respect of Iran.


 


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