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Why is there no helipad at our only Level 1 Trauma Centre - CUH?

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Helicopters are all the rage these days, so here is another heli-tale to ponder.

Fast transportation of injured casualties to medics is one of the tasks that helicopters are specially good at.

The HSE (called by Dr John Crown the armed wing of the Department of Health) doesn't seem aware of helicopters. Maybe someone should tell them.

Their principal trauma hospital in the south of the country - Cork University Hospital - does not have a helicopter landing pad.

You know, the kind of thing the guy next door has in his garden? Upscale it a bit and you have an idea of all it takes to allow the Air Corps air ambulance pilots or the RAF or our outsourced marine Search and Rescue fliers to touch down.

Providing one of those at a Level One Trauma Centre is beyond the capabilities of all seven veils of management in the HSE.

If you have the misfortune to need air medevac to CUH here is the route: they pick you up, and fly to Cork Airport, five miles south of Cork city. There you are moved out of the chopper and into an Ambulance. Then you are driven down through the Kinsale Road roundabout and along a circuitous route via the Cork traffic, including the notorious Wilton roundabout, to the CUH, where you are finally decanted into the fine A&E Department. There you will get first class care. If you are still alive.

On discharge, if you survive, you will be able to contemplate the acres of car parking spaces, and the site earmarked for construction of the Mary Harney Memorial Co-Located Private Capital Hospital.
 
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There's no need to worry.

It won't be long before Cork County Council decide to build the "biggest helipad in Ireland" (in the thickest Cork accent you can possibly imagine).
 

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There's no need to worry.

It won't be long before Cork County Council decide to build the "biggest helipad in Ireland" (in the thickest Cork accent you can possibly imagine).

Well, no.

There were no plans four years ago, when they removed the landing pad, as the story below shows, and no sign of a move since.

THERE are no plans to restore a helicopter landing pad at the country’s only level one trauma hospital despite claims yesterday that its absence could cost lives.Cork University Hospital (CUH) is the only centre in the country with all the medical specialities under one roof.

Irish Examiner - 2005/08/27: No plans to restore helicopter pad to hospital sparks criticism

Three years after that story hit the streets, this is the answer given by the HSE Hospital Network Manager to a 2008 PQ from Bernard Allen.

http://www.hse.ie/eng/Access_to_Information_PQs/Parliamentary_Questions/2008_PQ_Responses/April_2008/Apr_09_2008/Bernard_Allen_PQ_13423-08_Car_park_and_helicopter_landing_facilities_at_CUH.pdf

Extract:
"Since the 2000 Strategy Plan was produced there have been a number of internal and external factors which have impacted upon plans for car parking and the location of a helipad on the CUH campus. In relation to parking, Cork City Council has indicated in recent years that there should be an increased emphasis on the provision of ‘park and ride’ and ‘park and walk’ facilities rather than the provision of all the required parking on site. The provision of multi-storey car parking on site would also have to be self financing in line with Department of Health and Children guidelines.

In relation to helicopter landing facilities, the emphasis in the 2000 plan was on the landing of larger helicopters which would have required significant space / development. It was in this context that the site at the east (current Co Location site) of the hospital was identified. The focus in relation to helicopter landing facilities has moved toward the needs of smaller craft, and in this regard the HSE is currently reviewing the possibility of providing landing facilities for smaller craft at roof level, over and directly linked by lift to the Emergency Department."

The etenders.ie website had an ad lately looking for a consultant to do up another one of those hospital strategy things for these lads. We never have seem to have enough strategy plans do we? It is like the football manager who is always two or three players short of a great team.
 
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Where is Hawkeye when we need him?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlObZqhUWpg]YouTube - Thank God we're not in Cork - MASH Theme Song[/ame]
 

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Helicopters are all the rage these days, so here is another heli-tale to ponder.

Fast transportation of injured casualties to medics is one of the tasks that helicopters are specially good at.

The HSE (called by Dr John Crown the armed wing of the Department of Health) doesn't seem aware of helicopters. Maybe someone should tell them.

Their principal trauma hospital in the south of the country - Cork University Hospital - does not have a helicopter landing pad.

You know, the kind of thing the guy next door has in his garden? Upscale it a bit and you have an idea of all it takes to allow the Air Corps air ambulance pilots or the RAF or our outsourced marine Search and Rescue fliers to touch down.

That is beyond the abilities of the seven veils of management in the HSE.

If you have the misfortune to need air medevac to CUH here is the route: they pick you up, and fly to Cork Airport, five miles south of Cork city. There you are moved out of the chopper and into an Ambulance. Then you are driven down through the Kinsale Road roundabout and along a circuitous route via the Cork traffic, including the notorious Wilton roundabout, to the CUH, where you are finally decanted into the fine A&E Department. There you will get first class care. If you are still alive.

On discharge, if you survive, you will be able to contemplate the acres of car parking spaces, and the site earmarked for construction of the Mary Harney Memorial Co-Located Private Capital Hospital.
Considering the fact that there aren't enough beds for patients, a helipad seems a tad over-the-top.

You should lobby Martin Cullen. He's mad for helicopters.
 

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Er, helicopters don't need beds. They are quite content with a few square metres on a carpark.
 

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You should lobby Martin Cullen. He's mad for helicopters.
Speaking of Martin Cullen and helicopters, is there a heli pad at Waterford Regional?
 

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Well either, but the physical trauma side is more likely to be the destination of a medivac I suppose?
 

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The current situation appears utterly silly from a lay persons point of view.
You rightly point out that the helicopters don´t need much more than a few metres of carpark to land.
The vast majority of the pilots are either serving military personnel or highly skilled ex military. These guys can land a helicopter on a fag box. (Without crushing it)
What absolute disregard for accident victims etc. that they are subject to running the gauntlet of Cork suburban traffic for minimum 10 minutes after landing in the real capital.
I know that the govt is trying to boost business for the airport after saddling it with a €200,000,000 debt recently. But this is ridiculous.
Move the carpark to the airport, how about that. Patients first!!
 

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The current situation appears utterly silly from a lay persons point of view.

You rightly point out that the helicopters don´t need much more than a few metres of carpark to land.

The vast majority of the pilots are either serving military personnel or highly skilled ex military. These guys can land a helicopter on a fag box. (Without crushing it)

What absolute disregard for accident victims etc. that they are subject to running the gauntlet of Cork suburban traffic for minimum 10 minutes after landing in the real capital.

I know that the govt is trying to boost business for the airport after saddling it with a €200,000,000 debt recently. But this is ridiculous.

Move the carpark to the airport, how about that. Patients first!!
Yep. They would be doing amazing things to the laws of physics to get by road from Cork Airport to the CUH in ten minutes any day of year except maybe Christmas Day.

So folks, the message has got to be - time your accident with care.
 

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Yep. They would be doing amazing things to the laws of physics to get by road from Cork Airport to the CUH in ten minutes any day of year except maybe Christmas Day.

So folks, the message has got to be - time your accident with care.
I was being really generous. :)

But this is a serious issue. Lives may be lost.
Southern politicians neglect their constituents constantly. If this were to happen inside the M50, Joe Duffy would be talking about nothing else and it would get sorted.
It happens in Cork and what? Nothing.
 

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In answer to your question:

Because FF have been at the helm for too long.
That, and the structure of our political system.
TD´s are not held to account in their localities, especially areas furthest from Dublin. They are here, there and everywhere. Travelling to and from committee meetings and Dail sittings. They are tackled by individuals on private matters of course all the time.
At a local level we have county councils with no money and no powers.
I would like to see a parliament, for want of a better word. Open to the public, where local issues were addressed by TD´s on a regular basis.
It´s the main reason the peripheries of this country have floundered. Bad representation and no accountability of TD´s.
 

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To make matters even weirder, CUH is Ireland's ONLY officially recognised Level 1 Trauma centre.

Having no helipad is insane!

We could make use of air ambulance services to provide cost-effective major trauma cover to wide regions, making it possible to centralise things into a single centre of excellence! It would definitely improve survival rates if people could get to a serious trauma centre like CUH in the event of a major incident anywhere in the southern half of Ireland, or even further afield.
Clearly the HSE is doing such a wonderful job of whatever it is that it does and forgot about a helepad.
 

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To make matters even weirder, CUH is Ireland's ONLY officially recognised Level 1 Trauma centre.

Having no helipad is insane!

We could make use of air ambulance services to provide cost-effective major trauma cover to wide regions, making it possible to centralise things into a single centre of excellence! It would definitely improve survival rates if people could get to a serious trauma centre like CUH in the event of a major incident anywhere in the southern half of Ireland, or even further afield.

Clearly the HSE is doing such a wonderful job of whatever it is that it does and forgot about a helepad.
Well from the answer given to Bernard Allen the HSE looks to have taken great care several years ago to sterilise an area from use as a helipad so that the Mary Harney Memorial colocated private hospital would not be impeded. Years later we have neither helipad nor MHM CPH, though the latter is with Bord Pleanála.

Apart from commissioning strategy studies, and having meetings with each other, the HSE are supposed to be quite good at building buildings. The idea of having a facility that did not actually need any building might have flummoxed them.
 

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I was being really generous. :)

But this is a serious issue. Lives may be lost.
Southern politicians neglect their constituents constantly. If this were to happen inside the M50, Joe Duffy would be talking about nothing else and it would get sorted.
It happens in Cork and what? Nothing.
Not true
vincents -Dublin - No helipad (national liver transplant unit)
Mater -dublin - No helipad (National cardio thoracic transplant unit)
Tallaght - Dublin - dont believe they have helipad
Beaumont - Dublin - Dont believe they have helipad (National Neurosurgical unit)
Crumlin - no helipad
St Colmcilles - No helipad

Few hospitals have helipads which is a scandal
 
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Not true
vincents -Dublin - No helipad (national liver transplant unit)
Mater -dublin - No helipad (National cardio thoracic transplant unit)
Tallaght - Dublin - dont believe they have helipad
Beaumont - Dublin - Dont believe they have helipad (National Neurosurgical unit)
Crumlin - no helipad
St Colmcilles - No helipad

Few hospitals have helipads which is a scandal
My ignorance has been highlighted.
Question though:
Heli Medivac involving liver transplants in Vincents for example. It must be a regular occurance.
How is it dealt with currently do you know? Is it dublin airport?
Or do they use an adjacent greenfield/carpark?
 

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What does the HSE have against helicopters?
 

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My ignorance has been highlighted.
Question though:
Heli Medivac involving liver transplants in Vincents for example. It must be a regular occurance.
How is it dealt with currently do you know? Is it dublin airport?
Or do they use an adjacent greenfield/carpark?
I am sorry that was not my intention, just to highlight that very few hospitals have helipads

When I worked in st Vicents there was the possibility of the small dauphin helicopters doing mountain rescues landing on the helipad, the long range helicopters were too big
They built the extension on top of where the helipad was, I thought they would have put one on the roof or else on the roof of the car park but no go there either
Options are UCD, land on a pitch and ground ambulance transport or The NAtional Rehab and ground transport or Phoenix park with a garda escort
 


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