Why is there no major populist right-wing party in Ireland?

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A common assumption by populist right wingers in recent years, especially following Brexit and Trump's election, is the presence in every European country of an assorted Eurosceptic anti-immigrant party that in one way or another is on the rise. This is obviously not the case everywhere; not all countries are affected by issues critically important in radical right wing rhetoric such as immigration. The Iberian countries both lack such movements due to their recent far-right history/lack of major immigration; Norway and Iceland are similarly not affected (possibly due to being more removed from the EU). Belgium has one such party but is a strictly Flemish nationalist party, reflecting that country's long-standing ethnic divide (Belgium would very likely cease to exist if such parties came to power).

Radical right parties also vary enormously in their political positions; many like the Front National inherit some of their traits from more sordid elements of early European fascism (in the case of France; Vichy, poujadisme, the Algerian War etc.), and some such as the Golden Dawn in Greece can be classed as outright fascists given their open admiration for Nazis and questionable policies. Anglophone alt-right supporters generally like to think of these parties of equivalents of familiar movements like UKIP, which is both misguided and short-sighted. As is the nature with nationalist political parties, elements of national "interest" or tradition mean each party varies massively. Alliances between these parties often neglects how extreme some of them happen to be.

But the main point of this thread is to question why such a movement doesn't exist in Ireland. Alt right minded posters on here like to point out that Eurosceptic/anti-immigration sentiment does indeed exist here and is probably quite influential. Several movements have been launched on such a platform, I can think of at least 3 in the past year, but none have gained any particular ground/members. Posters on here might point out that these movements don't get coverage by the media or are deliberately kept out of public view; Identity Ireland's launch gained substantial coverage due to the arrival of "anti-fascist" protesters (who in many ways shot themselves in the foot by actually giving their hated foes airtime) and surely such a reaction would elicit feelings of sympathy for them and possibly increase membership/support. So why hasn't this happened?

People here are not docile when it comes to the EU; Irish people know well how seemingly undemocratic it can be in practice with repeated referendums, and the downturn/austerity in recent years has led to much criticism of the EU's overarching role in Irish politics, economics and society in general. To say that the Irish don't have a Eurosceptic streak in them is frankly laughable.

Why then does no mass right-wing populist movement exist in this country? One that would purport to represent the concerns many of the "silent majority" have regarding the EU and immigration?

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Because SF soak up the crazy nationalists, the bedrock of any far-right movement, but confuse them by being liberal lefties. So all you are left with are howling at the moon Ayn Rand types who wish they were American, and any party based around that is a very hard sell to the Irish electorate. Look at Ganley and Libertas - he was seen as suspicious because of the American connections. We think America is great, but the American dream is seen as, frankly, unhinged by Irish people. We've spent our lives sniggering at our relatives over there.
 

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A populist party that just pursues a right wing agenda is a party that is trying to row against the incoming tide.

A populist party that is a mix of left wing and euro-sceptic and critical of the policy of mass immigration would have a better appeal than Fine Gael but strict on furriners.

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Because SF soak up a certain amount of crazy nationalists, the bedrock of any far-right movement, but confuse them by being liberal lefties. So all you are left with are howling at the moon Ayn Rand types who wish they were American, and any party based around that is a very hard sell to the Irish electorate. Look at Ganley and Libertas - he was seen as suspicious because of the Amercian connections.
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Jees, does nobody here now the meaning of "populist" and "right wing" any more?
 

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Because SF soak up the crazy nationalists, the bedrock of any far-right movement, but confuse them by being liberal lefties. So all you are left with are howling at the moon Ayn Rand types who wish they were American, and any party based around that is a very hard sell to the Irish electorate. Look at Ganley and Libertas - he was seen as suspicious because of the American connections. We think America is great, but the American dream is seen as, frankly, unhinged by Irish people. We've spent our lives sniggering at our relatives over there.
Asked and answered. Close thread.
 

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Jees, does nobody here now the meaning of "populist" and "right wing" any more?
Populist in the sense of representing the people against the establishment. Thats mainly the rights thing at the moment.
 

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Surely FG and FF could be classified as right wing so why look any further...
Yes, really the anti-establishment element needs to be figured in. Populism means that.

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If you look at the GOP... Renua wouldn't have been a million miles away from that in many ways... although I'm sure Renua would hate the comparison and probably wouldn't like to be described as populist... but I'm overlooking all that...

Anyway... it turns out Ireland didn't want Renua... or the SDs and despite all the incessant whingeing as we lurch from crisis to crisis... Irish voters seem happy enough f***ing around with the sh!te we've already got despite their many failures and all they've done to the country...
 

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Tis the nature of the system....no directly elected leader...

So, we don't get national populism....we get parish populism.
 

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Because SF soak up the crazy nationalists, the bedrock of any far-right movement, but confuse them by being liberal lefties. So all you are left with are howling at the moon Ayn Rand types who wish they were American, and any party based around that is a very hard sell to the Irish electorate. Look at Ganley and Libertas - he was seen as suspicious because of the American connections. We think America is great, but the American dream is seen as, frankly, unhinged by Irish people. We've spent our lives sniggering at our relatives over there.
The Brits out bit ticks the SF xenephobia box .
 

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Yes, really the anti-establishment element needs to be figured in. Populism means that.

Mick
Yes indeed, and Fianna Fail would claim that mantle, despite being pretty much weighted down with mantles they've awarded themselves, but for the inconvenient fact that they've been in power for most of the States existence
 

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The "New" anti mass immigrant parties in the West like all new parties have to find their feet against the competition and explain the new dynamic of generous social welfare in the West which wasn't around post war.

There is no clamber to reach EU Countries with little or no social welfare systems such as in the Med or Eastern Europe but instead it is the richer Western Countries that are glad to put billions into a social welfare system for non-natives.

Our ruling elite know little or nothing about competing for school places, housing waiting lists, long waits in the dole offices, GP surgeries, etc,etc,etc, as usual they talk about multicultural sh1te from their D4 palaces or big houses in the Aras so fook those clowns and ignore them.

Population stats are only getting worse in the third world for the EU and like Iceland we really should not be on anyones list to get to in any reality. Asylum claims should really not exist here and any government worth its salt should be explaining this to the people. That is all they have to do, explain the law and how it will be enforced and they will get votes.

I still cannot understand how the fook anyone on a housing list or waiting on a medical card, can in any sense vote SF or labour ? open border loons that have little or no experience of living in high immigrant areas anyway, just fooking nuts.
 

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A common assumption by populist right wingers in recent years, especially following Brexit and Trump's election, is the presence in every European country of an assorted Eurosceptic anti-immigrant party that in one way or another is on the rise. This is obviously not the case everywhere; not all countries are affected by issues critically important in radical right wing rhetoric such as immigration. The Iberian countries both lack such movements due to their recent far-right history/lack of major immigration; Norway and Iceland are similarly not affected (possibly due to being more removed from the EU). Belgium has one such party but is a strictly Flemish nationalist party, reflecting that country's long-standing ethnic divide (Belgium would very likely cease to exist if such parties came to power).

Radical right parties also vary enormously in their political positions; many like the Front National inherit some of their traits from more sordid elements of early European fascism (in the case of France; Vichy, poujadisme, the Algerian War etc.), and some such as the Golden Dawn in Greece can be classed as outright fascists given their open admiration for Nazis and questionable policies. Anglophone alt-right supporters generally like to think of these parties of equivalents of familiar movements like UKIP, which is both misguided and short-sighted. As is the nature with nationalist political parties, elements of national "interest" or tradition mean each party varies massively. Alliances between these parties often neglects how extreme some of them happen to be.

But the main point of this thread is to question why such a movement doesn't exist in Ireland. Alt right minded posters on here like to point out that Eurosceptic/anti-immigration sentiment does indeed exist here and is probably quite influential. Several movements have been launched on such a platform, I can think of at least 3 in the past year, but none have gained any particular ground/members. Posters on here might point out that these movements don't get coverage by the media or are deliberately kept out of public view; Identity Ireland's launch gained substantial coverage due to the arrival of "anti-fascist" protesters (who in many ways shot themselves in the foot by actually giving their hated foes airtime) and surely such a reaction would elicit feelings of sympathy for them and possibly increase membership/support. So why hasn't this happened?

People here are not docile when it comes to the EU; Irish people know well how seemingly undemocratic it can be in practice with repeated referendums, and the downturn/austerity in recent years has led to much criticism of the EU's overarching role in Irish politics, economics and society in general. To say that the Irish don't have a Eurosceptic streak in them is frankly laughable.

Why then does no mass right-wing populist movement exist in this country? One that would purport to represent the concerns many of the "silent majority" have regarding the EU and immigration?
Because its not very popular in Ireland.
 

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Maybe the 'silent majority' of anti EU and immigration simply does not exist and are an echo chamber delusion of the Internet warriors?

FF would change their logo to a swastika in the morning if they thought 50%+ of the electorate were xenophobic.

The fact no right wing party moved to fill the space and all the rightist parties that started up failed really should tell you something.
 

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I might vote for an anti immigration party if it wasnt homophobic. It would need to learn the lessons the AFD/FN has learned by rigorously keeping out - and if necessary throwing out - neo Nazis.
 


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