Why is Unionist PR so crap?

Newrybhoy

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As part of the Good Friday Agreement, an explicit provision for holding a Northern Ireland border poll was made in UK law. The Northern Ireland Act 1998 states that “if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland”, the Secretary of State shall make an Order in Council enabling a border poll.
It is not clear exactly what would satisfy this requirement. The Constitution Unit suggests that a consistent majority in opinion polls, a Catholic majority in a census, a nationalist majority in the Northern Ireland Assembly, or a vote by a majority in the Assembly could all be considered evidence of majority support for a united Ireland.


The criteria has been set for the border poll. If their is a no deal brexit then a vote on the matter will have to be called.
Not unless republicans/nationalists win a majority in an election it doesn't.

No counting Alliance and Greens.

Come back to us when that happens.

That's republicans
 


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Not unless republicans/nationalists win a majority in an election it doesn't.

No counting Alliance and Greens.

Come back to us when that happens.

That's republicans
Thanks for defining what you think the criteria should be.


FYI:

As part of the Good Friday Agreement, an explicit provision for holding a Northern Ireland border poll was made in UK law. The Northern Ireland Act 1998 states that “if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland”, the Secretary of State shall make an Order in Council enabling a border poll.
 

Newrybhoy

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Thanks for defining what you think the criteria should be.


FYI:

As part of the Good Friday Agreement, an explicit provision for holding a Northern Ireland border poll was made in UK law. The Northern Ireland Act 1998 states that “if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland”, the Secretary of State shall make an Order in Council enabling a border poll.
Win an election.

All on your own and you can have one. That's the only thing that would show a majority MIGHT vote for it.
 

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Question to the PULs: do you think the DUP present a positive, modern image to the world?
 

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We will have a peculiar situation in Northern Ireland at some stage in the near distant future where the Republican and Nationalist community and plenty in the curious middle will want to know by way of referendum or on the basis of an election manifesto what the situation is across the Northern Ireland community.

So we will have the curious sight of the nationalist, fed up middle and even some of the traditional loyalist voters perhaps alarmed by the Brexit capers and what that means for NI agrifood business wanting a vote for various reasons and people like the DUP with a shrinking base dead against any notion of such a vote.

So the nationalist side will want to consult the loyalist community and certain members of the loyalist community will be dead set against such consultation. That does not bode well for extremist unionism.
 

james toney

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There is a punchline in there somewhere....
Arlene Foster and another senior Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) politician received large and extra-large turkeys from a poultry giant that benefited from her government’s “cash-for-ash” scandal, it can be revealed.
The renewable heat incentive (RHI) scheme at the centre of the scandal was meant to encourage a switch to green energy, but a flaw meant it effectively paid users to heat their own properties and ended up costing the taxpayer about £500m.
The controversy triggered the collapse of the Northern Ireland Executive in 2017.
The latest allegations concern Foster’s relationship with Moy Park, a chicken and turkey meat producer with ties to her party.
Despite its status as the biggest company in Northern Ireland, its farmers could burn wood pellets and claim handouts under the RHI from 2012.
A “poultry rush” later saw the scheme spiral out of control.
Foster, who championed RHI before becoming first minister, said she would “not” have done things differently in hindsight.
 

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You seem to have forgotten that it was an advisory vote and thus non-binding so it can be interpreted any way that actually brings about Brexit.

In this case, it has been obvious to anyone paying attention that an NI only vote in relation to the backstop is the only solution to Boris's impasse.
Exactly, referenda in the UK are only advisory as they don't have a written constitution.
In saying that I would imagine it would be political suicide for the government to ignore the result.
 

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Not unless republicans/nationalists win a majority in an election it doesn't.

No counting Alliance and Greens.

Come back to us when that happens.

That's republicans

In a vote for rejoining the EU it will not be a party political matter.
 

raetsel

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I wouldn't bother arguing with you, may as well be arguing with a 2 year old:

The writer Malachi O'Doherty recently made this observation about Terence O'Neill's Ulster at the crossroads" speech 50 years ago:

O'Neill's question was: "What kind of Ulster do you want?" Answering that is tricky on a number of points.
The first response of a lot of people today would be: "Are you speaking to me?" Only unionists call this place Ulster, appropriating the name of a province to a region.
 

raetsel

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Decent read but nothing the jerk circle want to hear...

His view was symptomatic, not only of what he had been told, but also of unionism’s failure to publicly assert its positive forms.

Interesting read, but who in the world of political unionism comes close to representing the views expressed? The Remnants of NI21 in all probability, who got nowhere when they broke from the UUP a few years ago. The UUP apparently sees itself painted into a corner by the DUP. It is reasonably well understood by smart unionists that for their core ideology to withstand demographic change, they must de-couple themselves from overtly sectarian sideshows like Orangeism and "kick-the-pope" bands. They haven't figured out how to do that yet.
 


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