Why Islamist terrorism in Europe is doomed to fail

GOF58

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Clausewitz was a Prussian military theorist best known for his dictum that
war is not merely an act of policy but a true political instrument, a continuation of political intercourse carried on with other means.
. Terrorism and terrorist organisations by their nature have political goals that their violence is aimed to further, be they ethno-nationalist (PIRA), far-left or far-right organisations (Red Army Faction) or religious fanatics (Aum Shinriko). Those that have succeeded in their aims, partially or fully, did so off the back of strong political factions; for instance, the IRA was successful in its aim of overthrowing the old Stormont parliament by making NI ungovernable, ensuring any consequent peace was contingent on the incorporation of Sinn Fein into the political process.

With the ongoing migrant crisis and the large number of Islamist-inspired terrorist attacks in Europe these past 12 months, one would be forgiven for believing that Europe's way of life was in crisis. Brexit and the rise of Trump, with the attendant political volatility, contribute to the feeling of malaise in Europe. However, one thing that frequently gets lost in the soul-searching and analysis regarding threats to the West is the fact that terrorism perpetrated by ISIS and it's fellow travellers will never succeed in changing our way of life - ISIS and its fellow travellers can only grow in the vacuum left by failed states in countries like Afghanistan or Syria. Meanwhile in Europe, ISIS is defined by the prevalence of criminals and people with mental health issues in their ranks. There is no Islamist political party in any country in Europe proper with realistic aspirations to governing a city council, never mind implementing Sharia law on the majority population. There are legitimate concerns regarding dissemination of Saudi influenced Wahabbist doctrine from mosques in a number of EU countries, but there is as yet no critical mass of support behind ISIS or other Salafist organisations and the only threat they pose to our way of life is in taking their threat too seriously and curtailing our liberties. Salafists pose no real threat to the European social structure, and it's high time we remembered that.
 


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Their aims as regards Europe are to introduce a Muslim population to Europe, keep it separate with high growth demographics, crippling European states leading to their breakdown, balkanisation and eventual takeover. Seems everything is going to plan so far.
 

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Their aims as regards Europe are to introduce a Muslim population to Europe, keep it separate with high growth demographics, crippling European states leading to their breakdown, balkanisation and eventual takeover. Seems everything is going to plan so far.
There's been a Muslim population in Europe for decades, no signs of Balkanisation yet
 

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Their aims as regards Europe are to introduce a Muslim population to Europe, keep it separate with high growth demographics, crippling European states leading to their breakdown, balkanisation and eventual takeover. Seems everything is going to plan so far.
Is this an organised thing?
 

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Their aims as regards Europe are to introduce a Muslim population to Europe, keep it separate with high growth demographics, crippling European states leading to their breakdown, balkanisation and eventual takeover. Seems everything is going to plan so far.
Why are you under that impression?
 

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There's been a Muslim population in Europe for decades, no signs of Balkanisation yet
Joke of a thread from a wannabe Mystic Meg/Mug. You're using irrelevant examples from the past to make empty-headed pronouncements about the present and future. Try comparing militant Islam with a more pertinent historical ideology like Nazism and see how far your Chamberlain-espue thought process takes you. And remember,the Nazis started off in a beer hall
 

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Not much compensation to the families of the victims of Nice, Bataclan attacks or future attacks
 
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Clausewitz was a Prussian military theorist best known for his dictum that . Terrorism and terrorist organisations by their nature have political goals that their violence is aimed to further, be they ethno-nationalist (PIRA), far-left or far-right organisations (Red Army Faction) or religious fanatics (Aum Shinriko). Those that have succeeded in their aims, partially or fully, did so off the back of strong political factions; for instance, the IRA was successful in its aim of overthrowing the old Stormont parliament by making NI ungovernable, ensuring any consequent peace was contingent on the incorporation of Sinn Fein into the political process.

With the ongoing migrant crisis and the large number of Islamist-inspired terrorist attacks in Europe these past 12 months, one would be forgiven for believing that Europe's way of life was in crisis. Brexit and the rise of Trump, with the attendant political volatility, contribute to the feeling of malaise in Europe. However, one thing that frequently gets lost in the soul-searching and analysis regarding threats to the West is the fact that terrorism perpetrated by ISIS and it's fellow travellers will never succeed in changing our way of life - ISIS and its fellow travellers can only grow in the vacuum left by failed states in countries like Afghanistan or Syria. Meanwhile in Europe, ISIS is defined by the prevalence of criminals and people with mental health issues in their ranks. There is no Islamist political party in any country in Europe proper with realistic aspirations to governing a city council, never mind implementing Sharia law on the majority population. There are legitimate concerns regarding dissemination of Saudi influenced Wahabbist doctrine from mosques in a number of EU countries, but there is as yet no critical mass of support behind ISIS or other Salafist organisations and the only threat they pose to our way of life is in taking their threat too seriously and curtailing our liberties. Salafists pose no real threat to the European social structure, and it's high time we remembered that.
"democracy" ?
 

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ISIS aims to turn Europeans against all Muslins and start a race war. They call integrated Muslim people 'the gray zone' and those people are their true target. They want to enrage Europeans until we kill 'the grey zone' for them.

They are very open about their aims. Its no mystery.
 

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Joke of a thread from a wannabe Mystic Meg/Mug. You're using irrelevant examples from the past to make empty-headed pronouncements about the present and future. Try comparing militant Islam with a more pertinent historical ideology like Nazism and see how far your Chamberlain-espue thought process takes you. And remember,the Nazis started off in a beer hall
Nazism started off in a beer hall with support and funding from members of the military establishment. How ! much of that have the recent attackers received?
 

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but it is an increasing Muslim population, surely in time this in itself could lead to "Balkanisation"?
Pew projects Muslims to b 8% of the continent's population by 2030. Not quite big enough to start Balkanisation when the Salafists are factored into that.
 

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The fact that we speak of 'Muslim communities' means that Balkanisation has already started. The projected 8% Muslim population of Europe by 2030 seems small but that would most likely mean areas with 60%, 70% or greater density.

If this 'Muslim population' integrated into society there would be no conflict but then the pseudo-religious leaders would be deprived of their power base.

As long as the host nations tolerate/support this all-male, anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-democractic 'culture' asserting its power in society there will be trouble.
 

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Too many people running scared of them and feeling intimidated for little reason. Instead of turning against the 99.9% of Muslim type people ( I call them that because like so called Christians most don't follow the doctrine ) which is exactly what nut jobs like Isis want , we should refuse to bow to their wants. The amount of hysterical rubbish you read from some posters on here is unreal.
 

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Nazism started off in a beer hall with support and funding from members of the military establishment. How ! much of that have the recent attackers received?
Keep your head in the sand and quote history to suit your purposes -reality is current threat is evocative of medieval times or WW11, and potentially apocalyptic
 

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The fact that we speak of 'Muslim communities' means that Balkanisation has already started. The projected 8% Muslim population of Europe by 2030 seems small but that would most likely mean areas with 60%, 70% or greater density.

If this 'Muslim population' integrated into society there would be no conflict but then the pseudo-religious leaders would be deprived of their power base.

As long as the host nations tolerate/support this all-male, anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-democractic 'culture' asserting its power in society there will be trouble.
I agree with your last part about tolerating those aspects of Islam , we shouldn't tolerate any religion or cult that does not adhere to the basic human rights values of Western societies . Or at least these religions who do not espouse said rights should not be given any part in State affairs . I include the Christian churches who have yet to espouse equal rights for gays and women , the RCC for one .
 

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Who knows how ISIS is funded.
In 2014 their revenue streams were $600 million in taxes and extortion from the citizens under their control mainly in Iraq, they stole $500 million from Iraqi Banks, $100 million from selling oil, and $20 million from kidnappings. Their estimated worth was $2 billion in 2014. There is also revenue from the heroin trade and selling antiquities.

The largest expenditure is salaries, which is estimated to be between $3 million and $10 million every month. The Islamic State also invests in police-state institutions, such as committees, media, courts, and market regulation, but provides relatively few services. The group avoids investment in infrastructure because it can be an easy target for attacks, and the territory it holds can change quickly. The group minimizes costs by looting military equipment, appropriating land and infrastructure, and paying relatively low salaries. The group also limits its vulnerability by shifting operations, transitioning between expanding its territory and fueling terrorist activity.
 

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Their aims as regards Europe are to introduce a Muslim population to Europe, keep it separate with high growth demographics, crippling European states leading to their breakdown, balkanisation and eventual takeover. Seems everything is going to plan so far.
And they are getting a leg up from the Sutherlands and Merkel's of this world.
 


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