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Why isn't the Berlin Jesuit sexual abuse stories on RTÉ?

Toland

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It would be a lie to say I was surprised, but the Berlin sexual abuse story that broke on Friday has had an article in the back pages of the IT by Derek Scally and nothing else.

Jesuit Priest Admits Molesting Youth: Germany Shaken By 'Systematic' Sexual Abuse at Berlin Catholic School - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

This is a very relevant story for Ireland.

The very widespread argument (locally defended by TA and treacherously employed by the apologetics as a get out for their religion) that sex abuse is an Irish rather than a catholic thing is rather undermined by it.

Here's Scally's piece:

Apology over sex abuse by Jesuit priests - The Irish Times - Fri, Jan 29, 2010

Anyone see any other coverage?

On RTÉ?
 


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l saw it in Spiegel online, but nothing here. Maybe our media is too engrossed in, say, Lillis to produce 'News'.
I think there's a catholic lobby in RTÉ at least that had to allow the station to broadcast the recently broken Yorkshire story, but then felt they'd exceeded their bad-news-for-us quota once that was done.

I wait to be corrected on this.
 

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I don't agree with the oft-made arguments that sex abuse is Irish rather than Catholic - the rate of abuse seems to be very high accross society, not only in Ireland but across Europe. Ireland's abuse rates are a lot lower than the world average, and in the US Protestant abuse rates even seem higher than Catholic ones. That said, these are two priests who abused children in a school. Paedos tend to concentrate in institutions where they have direct access to children. In the US, the abuse rates in public schools are incredibly high: AP: Sexual Misconduct Plagues US Schools - washingtonpost.com
 
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I think there's a catholic lobby in RTÉ at least that had to allow the station to broadcast the recently broken Yorkshire story, but then felt they'd exceeded their bad-news-for-us quota once that was done.

I wait to be corrected on this.
I don't think this story warrants coverage on RTE tbh. You can argue that what they are putting out has no more merit, but a church abuse case specific to a school in Berlin is way down the list of overseas stories that deserve coverage. Aside from the 'see, see, it happens there too' factor, I don't see what interest there would be in it.
 

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The very widespread argument (locally defended by TA and treacherously employed by the apologetics as a get out for their religion) that sex abuse is an Irish rather than a catholic thing is rather undermined by it.
Not appologising for anyone, but most of the catholic child sex abuse I have read or heard about was either based in Ireland or was carried out by Irish priests based abroad - in countries such as UK, USA, Australia, etc.
I have seen occasional cases on non Irish clery committing these acts in other countries - but these have been isolated individuals and nothing like the rampant and sometimes coordinated paedolphilic abuse that occurred in Ireland.
 

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It would be a lie to say I was surprised, but the Berlin sexual abuse story that broke on Friday has had an article in the back pages of the IT by Derek Scally and nothing else.
Probably because the offences occurred thirty years ago, Germany already has abortion so there are no scalps to take and the public in general don't give a toss about child abuse anyway. Never have. Never will.
 

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Not appologising for anyone, but most of the catholic child sex abuse I have read or heard about was either based in Ireland or was carried out by Irish priests based abroad - in countries such as UK, USA, Australia, etc.
Well maybe that's because non Irish media think child sex abuse cases are not news worthy unless the details are gratuitous.
 

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I don't think this story warrants coverage on RTE tbh. You can argue that what they are putting out has no more merit, but a church abuse case specific to a school in Berlin is way down the list of overseas stories that deserve coverage. Aside from the 'see, see, it happens there too' factor, I don't see what interest there would be in it.

I agree, it would appear that neither the abuser nor those abused had any connection with Ireland, if the now former Jesuit had taught in Ireland or had been moved here it would be newsworthy but otherwise beyond the fact that child sexual abuse is a universal problem this case hardly warrants a lot of news coverage by the Irish media.
 

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Well maybe that's because non Irish media think child sex abuse cases are not news worthy unless the details are gratuitous.
This would seem highly unlightly.
Most of the foreign media covered the Irish sexual abuse cases and it follows that if they had similar cases locally they would have covered them.
 

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Well maybe that's because non Irish media think child sex abuse cases are not news worthy unless the details are gratuitous.
This case was the second headline on BBC World Service in Central Europe and is all over local and national media here in Berlin.

Sorry, but so much for that argument.
 

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As you're far more likely to find Sticky neo-Marxists in RTE than Catholic activists.
You're long out of date. Please remember that the main sticky neo-marxist in RTÉ at the time that argument was current was none other than Eoghan Harris. Indeed, the catholic activists in RTÉ (and they included Colm Keane, who I talk about elsewhere) made great hay out of the Eoghan Harris smear.

The current DG of RTÉ is a Padre Pio devotee, if his letters to me are anything to go by.
 

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I don't think this story warrants coverage on RTE tbh. You can argue that what they are putting out has no more merit, but a church abuse case specific to a school in Berlin is way down the list of overseas stories that deserve coverage. Aside from the 'see, see, it happens there too' factor, I don't see what interest there would be in it.
To be honest, Gimpanzee, I couldn't disagree more. There are a lot of stories doing the rounds in Ireland that child sexual abuse is an Irish rather than a catholic problem. This is one piece of evidence to the contrary. For that reason alone it's especially newsworthy in Ireland.

Besides, the coverage it has got internationally would suggest that RTÉ are the exception rather than the rule in relation to their attitude to it.
 

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To be honest, Gimpanzee, I couldn't disagree more. There are a lot of stories doing the rounds in Ireland that child sexual abuse is an Irish rather than a catholic problem. This is one piece of evidence to the contrary. For that reason alone it's especially newsworthy in Ireland.

Besides, the coverage it has got internationally would suggest that RTÉ are the exception rather than the rule in relation to their attitude to it.
Had a quick look at websites of main British papers, BBC European news, Google news (UK, Germany Google News: Deutschland) - found a reference on BBC Europe , but way down the agenda.
Would not call that noteworthy international coverage.
And the idea that a theory that sexual abuse within the Catholic church is more prevalent in churches formed by Irish priests would be disproved or even shaken by a case in another non-Irish formed church is not very scientific.

If RTE really had a propaganda remit for the church it would insist on reporting every single case of abuse that reached the courts in Ireland.
 

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And the idea that a theory that sexual abuse within the Catholic church is more prevalent in churches formed by Irish priests would be disproved or even shaken by a case in another non-Irish formed church is not very scientific.
On the contrary; it's a single counterexample. There are others (in Austria and Bavaria amongst other places). Is it possible that the phenomenon is limited just to Irish religious and, to a lesser extent, German-speaking ones? Hmmmmph.

As I say, the coverage here was massive. On every news programme and first title with Berlin media. And BBC World Service had it on yesterday at second spot on some bulletins.

And again, as I say, the issue is of special interest in Ireland, or don't you agree?
 
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well...it emerged during the irish enquiry that the secret letter, issued by cardinal ratzinger*, to assist and protect known paedophiles from the authorities, was a global document and the irish should be reporting it and encouraging other countries (particularly third world countries where children are even more vulnerable) to undertake similar enquiries.

* ratzingers letter referred to an earlier document called Crimen Sollicitationis to be used as a guideline for members of the church (including lay people) to cover up, assist and protect known paedophiles from the authorities at all costs.
 

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On the contrary; it's a single counterexample. There are others (in Austria and Bavaria amongst other places). Is it possible that the phenomenon is limited just to Irish religious and, to a lesser extent, German-speaking ones? Hmmmmph.

As I say, the coverage here was massive. On every news programme and first title with Berlin media. And BBC World Service had it on yesterday at second spot on some bulletins.

And again, as I say, the issue is of special interest in Ireland, or don't you agree?
Single counter examples are by definition of no relevance to a theory that posits a prevalence of something.
I'm sure the coverage in Berlin/Germany is big - I gather it is a very prestigious school.
And the coverage in UK was not front page if it appeared at all, and it would naturally appear on the specialised Central European Word Service of the BBC, given as it was as you report a big story in Germany.
And the issue of sexual abuse by a Jesuit/s in Berlin is not actually of special relevance to Ireland.
 


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