Why Korean unification is a bad idea

Sheeple_Waker

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Let me start this off by disavowing any support for the Kim regime. They have succeeded for 73 years in foisting a brutal and obsolete political model on North Korea. They have economically and culturally stifled the country and retarded its development. By contrast South Korea has thrown off the straight jacket of military rule to become one of the wealthiest countries in Asia and among the most technologically advanced in the world. There remain however a number of important reasons why the North and South should not be imminently reunited.

The first main reason is paternalistic - the majority of North Koreans are simply unsophisticated enough to compete within a united Korean polity on an equal footing with their southern countrymen. When the Soviet bloc collapsed a large number of ponzi schemes were operated by unscrupulous actors in a number of countries, fleecing people who had no practical experience of capitalism. The most extreme example of this in Albania saw the country descend into a practical civil war in 1998 (incidentally Declan Ganley made his money in that same jurisdiction at the same time- make of that what you will). In addition large numbers of South Koreans have less than benevolent designs on the North. For instance, the descendants of dispossessed landlords from North Korea who fled south following Soviet occupation make up one of the lost powerful and well financed lobbies in South Korean politics, and seek to regain ownership/control of those lands following a putative reunification. Perhaps I’m a bit of a snowflake but it doesn’t seem morally correct to restore ownership to such people over the heads of poor North Korean communal farm workers. A clean slate with land redivision seems a more reasonable solution.

In addition, no North Korean alive has experience of a democratic system- the few pre-Kim elders who survive fame up under the Japanese, anyone under the age of 75 has only experienced the Kim regime. A transitional period where they govern a residual North Korea as a federal subject of a united Korea would be most instructive and allow the state a period of institution building.

Finally, the technocratic elite of North Korea is largely compromised by its support for and membership of the Kim dynasty’s elite. Engineers, legal experts, specialists of all kinds, professional soldiers and scientists all owe their comparatively privileged conditions to collaboration with the regime (including complicity with its crimes). Disenfranchising or criminalising the entire intelligentsia will not help the rest of the country develop as equals of the South Koreans, quite the opposite.

IMO these reasons (as well as the obvious economic chasm between the two states) should be sufficient reason for a delayed re-unification. Kim il-Sung wrote about a federal Korean republic, with both states maintaining their respective economic and political systems for a transitional period pending economic equality and reintegration. While he posited this in the mid 1970s when the North was economically stronger (thus as a mechanism for gradual Northern absorption of the South), ironically a federal Korean republic, with gradual strengthening of ties and a high level of internal autonomy, at least initially, may present the best opportunity for ordinary North Koreans to rejoin the South on a level of relative equality. Kim and his family should be amnestied and allowed to leave with their wealth (ditto for the rest of the nomenklatura) and the Chinese leaned on to provide asylum -allowing Kim to depart for Macau with the estimated 2.5-3 billion family fortune is still cheaper to all concerned than a war.
 


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Good points there

- most likely development is a milder form of Rule after the Kims are gone

- and friendlier relations with the South

After that is anyone's guess.....
 

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Maybe get rid of the Kim dynasty before unification becomes a realistic possibility why would the south want to subject itself to that psychopath the end of communist rule is the only way forward in the event of future reunification.
 

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one suggestion was to have reunification but after 100 years, then nobody is around who was par of the agreement
 

Sheeple_Waker

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Maybe get rid of the Kim dynasty before unification becomes a realistic possibility why would the south want to subject itself to that psychopath the end of communist rule is the only way forward in the event of future reunification.
Such ************************e, even for this site. There is zero, I repeat ZERO, chance that Korea will be united under the Kims. My points specifically reference reunification under the aegis of the ROK
 

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one suggestion was to have reunification but after 100 years, then nobody is around who was par of the agreement
Even if Kim and the whole regime was overthrown north Koreans have been so brainwashed for years that it will take decades for things to resemble normality not to mention incorporating 3rd world infrastructure into a unified Korea there will be a huge mess for the south to clear up left behind by the Kims.
 

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The South Koreans are sensibly planning for Re-unification.

They have a Ministry of Unification - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Unification

Dublin needs to set up a similar body.
Would that not be better as a cross border body with executive powers? I’m sure many in the north would like to keep the NHS, but get southern social welfare and/or pensions and many in the south who notionally want unification providing it doesn’t cost anything/reduce services or add to national debt ie unrealistic on both sides. Unification cannot simply be the 26 county state adding in the 6, no more than Korean unification is the south absorbing the north as a charity.
 

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Reunification might happen soon and suddenly, but it wont be peaceful.
 

General Urko

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My understanding is that the task West Germany was faced with in incorporating the East was to up the living standards of the Ossies by 4 fold, The South Koreans would have to up the living standards of their Nordies by at least 16 fold!
And I doubt That East Germans were anything like as damaged mentally by their state even though they had the biggest police state per head in the world!
 

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Even if Kim and the whole regime was overthrown north Koreans have been so brainwashed for years that it will take decades for things to resemble normality not to mention incorporating 3rd world infrastructure into a unified Korea there will be a huge mess for the south to clear up left behind by the Kims.
Michael Malice, author of Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il doesn't buy the brainwashed narrative.
He sees them as hostages, doing what is necessary to stay alive.
They know it's fúcked up, but have no choice but to follow orders.

[video=youtube;B8Gp-wgbphA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Gp-wgbphA[/video]
 

General Urko

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Michael Malice, author of Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il doesn't buy the brainwashed narrative.
He sees them as hostages, doing what is necessary to stay alive.
They know it's fúcked up, but have no choice but to follow orders.

[video=youtube;B8Gp-wgbphA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Gp-wgbphA[/video]
An atheist theocratic state!

Well most Germans were more than willing to buy the shyte, during The Nazi times!
 

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My understanding is that the task West Germany was faced with in incorporating the East was to up the living standards of the Ossies by 4 fold, The South Koreans would have to up the living standards of their Nordies by at least 16 fold!
And I doubt That East Germans were anything like as damaged mentally by their state even though they had the biggest police state per head in the world!
Yes, there's far more of a discrepancy in living standards than was the case in the Germanies.

Life In North Korea Vs. South Korea - Business Insider

There's also the issue that they've been living apart for a lot longer than was the case with the DDR, which will make things a lot harder if/when they reunite.
 

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Let me start this off by disavowing any support for the Kim regime. They have succeeded for 73 years in foisting a brutal and obsolete political model on North Korea. They have economically and culturally stifled the country and retarded its development. By contrast South Korea has thrown off the straight jacket of military rule to become one of the wealthiest countries in Asia and among the most technologically advanced in the world. There remain however a number of important reasons why the North and South should not be imminently reunited.

The first main reason is paternalistic - the majority of North Koreans are simply unsophisticated enough to compete within a united Korean polity on an equal footing with their southern countrymen. When the Soviet bloc collapsed a large number of ponzi schemes were operated by unscrupulous actors in a number of countries, fleecing people who had no practical experience of capitalism. The most extreme example of this in Albania saw the country descend into a practical civil war in 1998 (incidentally Declan Ganley made his money in that same jurisdiction at the same time- make of that what you will). In addition large numbers of South Koreans have less than benevolent designs on the North. For instance, the descendants of dispossessed landlords from North Korea who fled south following Soviet occupation make up one of the lost powerful and well financed lobbies in South Korean politics, and seek to regain ownership/control of those lands following a putative reunification. Perhaps I’m a bit of a snowflake but it doesn’t seem morally correct to restore ownership to such people over the heads of poor North Korean communal farm workers. A clean slate with land redivision seems a more reasonable solution.

In addition, no North Korean alive has experience of a democratic system- the few pre-Kim elders who survive fame up under the Japanese, anyone under the age of 75 has only experienced the Kim regime. A transitional period where they govern a residual North Korea as a federal subject of a united Korea would be most instructive and allow the state a period of institution building.

Finally, the technocratic elite of North Korea is largely compromised by its support for and membership of the Kim dynasty’s elite. Engineers, legal experts, specialists of all kinds, professional soldiers and scientists all owe their comparatively privileged conditions to collaboration with the regime (including complicity with its crimes). Disenfranchising or criminalising the entire intelligentsia will not help the rest of the country develop as equals of the South Koreans, quite the opposite.

IMO these reasons (as well as the obvious economic chasm between the two states) should be sufficient reason for a delayed re-unification. Kim il-Sung wrote about a federal Korean republic, with both states maintaining their respective economic and political systems for a transitional period pending economic equality and reintegration. While he posited this in the mid 1970s when the North was economically stronger (thus as a mechanism for gradual Northern absorption of the South), ironically a federal Korean republic, with gradual strengthening of ties and a high level of internal autonomy, at least initially, may present the best opportunity for ordinary North Koreans to rejoin the South on a level of relative equality. Kim and his family should be amnestied and allowed to leave with their wealth (ditto for the rest of the nomenklatura) and the Chinese leaned on to provide asylum -allowing Kim to depart for Macau with the estimated 2.5-3 billion family fortune is still cheaper to all concerned than a war.
That is pretty much word for word the exact same situation as East and West Germany before reunification
 

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That is pretty much word for word the exact same situation as East and West Germany before reunification
A lot of people of my generation and class would have been better off brought up in East Germany than here! There is absolutely nobody who would have been brought up here who would have been better off in North Korea, well perhaps debateably those in Magdellan Concentraion Camps, Industrial Schools and some sane folk put into lunatic asylums!
 


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