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why should I join Fine Gael?


HarshBuzz

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I made a New Year's resolution to myself: that I would become politically involved in 2009. I have been becoming more and more disillusioned with the direction that this country has being going in for years now and have, rather than snipe from the sidelines, resolved to do what I can to effect positive change here. Even if that involves sticking leaflets through letterboxes so be it, at least it's a commitment. Obama's election in the US was also an inspirational lesson in grassroots activism.

I've been appalled by the FF administration for many years for all of the standard reasons (corruption, incompetence, parochialism and awful mismanagement - I wouldn't trust any of the current troika running the country to run my local sweetshop). The PDs are defunct. Labour is a tool of the union dinosaurs. Sinn Fein hold no appeal for me. I'm a reasonably intelligent, university-educated professional with your standard middle-class profile. My leanings are moderately libertarian by instinct.

So, of the mainstream political parties, Fine Gael is the only one that I would consider joining.

Tell me why I should do this!
 

turdsl

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Try a little harder, I was member one time and they would bore any normal person to death.
 

Mazzy Maz

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I made a New Year's resolution to myself: that I would become politically involved in 2009. I have been becoming more and more disillusioned with the direction that this country has being going in for years now and have, rather than snipe from the sidelines, resolved to do what I can to effect positive change here. Even if that involves sticking leaflets through letterboxes so be it, at least it's a commitment. Obama's election in the US was also an inspirational lesson in grassroots activism.

I've been appalled by the FF administration for many years for all of the standard reasons (corruption, incompetence, parochialism and awful mismanagement - I wouldn't trust any of the current troika running the country to run my local sweetshop). The PDs are defunct. Labour is a tool of the union dinosaurs. Sinn Fein hold no appeal for me. I'm a reasonably intelligent, university-educated professional with your standard middle-class profile. My leanings are moderately libertarian by instinct.

So, of the mainstream political parties, Fine Gael is the only one that I would consider joining.

Tell me why I should do this!
Not trying to be smart, but you've probably already answered the question yourself.
 

Munion

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Because the "pity we didn't win but didn't we do well" attitude appeals to you.
 

meriwether2

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I made a New Year's resolution to myself: that I would become politically involved in 2009. I have been becoming more and more disillusioned with the direction that this country has being going in for years now and have, rather than snipe from the sidelines, resolved to do what I can to effect positive change here. Even if that involves sticking leaflets through letterboxes so be it, at least it's a commitment. Obama's election in the US was also an inspirational lesson in grassroots activism.

I've been appalled by the FF administration for many years for all of the standard reasons (corruption, incompetence, parochialism and awful mismanagement - I wouldn't trust any of the current troika running the country to run my local sweetshop). The PDs are defunct. Labour is a tool of the union dinosaurs. Sinn Fein hold no appeal for me. I'm a reasonably intelligent, university-educated professional with your standard middle-class profile. My leanings are moderately libertarian by instinct.

So, of the mainstream political parties, Fine Gael is the only one that I would consider joining.

Tell me why I should do this!
You should join FG if you agree with their policies.

You do not have to agree with everything. The party you disagree with the least is your best fit.
Have you researched any of the policies?
What are your most important policies to be addressed?

Etc.
 

zeleneye

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Not trying to be smart, but you've probably already answered the question yourself.
Not true. Certainly a good reason not to join FF. However FG is not really an inspiring alternative.

Would replacing the troika of Cowen, Lenihan and Coughlan with a troika of Kenny, Brian Hayes and Varadkar inspire more confidence? Not for me.

The country is f'ed. We need a government of national emergency combining the best politicians in the country. True, few of these are from FF, but there are few in FG as well - with the glaring exception of Richard Bruton.

Personally, I don't think your joining Fine Gael would have any impact on the country. Get out on the streets. We need a revolution.
 

Defeated

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Why join a party?

If they don't fit with your own views, or those of the people then why would you want to be a part of any of them . . . .unless you can help instigate major party reforms in which case you'd be my hero!
 

pfkf

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I made a New Year's resolution to myself: that I would become politically involved in 2009. I have been becoming more and more disillusioned with the direction that this country has being going in for years now and have, rather than snipe from the sidelines, resolved to do what I can to effect positive change here. Even if that involves sticking leaflets through letterboxes so be it, at least it's a commitment. Obama's election in the US was also an inspirational lesson in grassroots activism.

I've been appalled by the FF administration for many years for all of the standard reasons (corruption, incompetence, parochialism and awful mismanagement - I wouldn't trust any of the current troika running the country to run my local sweetshop). The PDs are defunct. Labour is a tool of the union dinosaurs. Sinn Fein hold no appeal for me. I'm a reasonably intelligent, university-educated professional with your standard middle-class profile. My leanings are moderately libertarian by instinct.

So, of the mainstream political parties, Fine Gael is the only one that I would consider joining.

Tell me why I should do this!
You should join Fine Gael, because you will be joining one of the most dynamic, enterprising and rewarding teams in the country. Fine Gael is Ireland's fastest growing political movement. It has a new team that is ready to govern, it has the right balance of youth and experiance. Fine Gael is going to overtake Fianna Fail as the largest political party in Ireland.

Fine Gael core values include: Equality of opportunity, Enterprise and Reward, Security, Integrity and Hope. Fine Gael, beleives in a Universal Health Service and a Universal Education Service. Fine Believes in the fundmentals of our economy and has proven correct on the everything that it has said and suggested about the economy for many years.

Thats just for starters.
 

Munion

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You should join FG if you agree with their policies.

You do not have to agree with everything. The party you disagree with the least is your best fit.
Have you researched any of the policies?
What are your most important policies to be addressed?

Etc.
Oooooh look at you being all reasonable and logical with your response. This is not the kind of website for that kind of talk!
 

meriwether2

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Not true. Certainly a good reason not to join FF. However FG is not really an inspiring alternative.

Would replacing the troika of Cowen, Lenihan and Coughlan with a troika of Kenny, Brian Hayes and Varadkar inspire more confidence? Not for me.
The country is f'ed. We need a government of national emergency combining the best politicians in the country. True, few of these are from FF, but there are few in FG as well - with the glaring exception of Richard Bruton.

Personally, I don't think your joining Fine Gael would have any impact on the country. Get out on the streets. We need a revolution.
Are you suggesting that Brian Hayes and Varadkar are going to be minister for finance, and Tainiste and minister for enterprise in a FG/Lab government?

Your analysis isn't exactly inspiring either.
 

wysiwyg

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You should join Fine Gael, because you will be joining one of the most dynamic, enterprising and rewarding teams in the country. Fine Gael is Ireland's fastest growing political movement. It has a new team that is ready to govern, it has the right balance of youth and experiance. Fine Gael is going to overtake Fianna Fail as the largest political party in Ireland.

Fine Gael core values include: Equality of opportunity, Enterprise and Reward, Security, Integrity and Hope. Fine Gael, beleives in a Universal Health Service and a Universal Education Service. Fine Believes in the fundmentals of our economy and has proven correct on the everything that it has said and suggested about the economy for many years.

Thats just for starters.
Hmm... yeah... right....
 

borntorum

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You should join Fine Gael, because you will be joining one of the most dynamic, enterprising and rewarding teams in the country. Fine Gael is Ireland's fastest growing political movement. It has a new team that is ready to govern, it has the right balance of youth and experiance. Fine Gael is going to overtake Fianna Fail as the largest political party in Ireland.

Fine Gael core values include: Equality of opportunity, Enterprise and Reward, Security, Integrity and Hope. Fine Gael, beleives in a Universal Health Service and a Universal Education Service. Fine Believes in the fundmentals of our economy and has proven correct on the everything that it has said and suggested about the economy for many years.

Thats just for starters.
Every word of that is ridiculous. But I'd like to look at one element...
Fine Gael core values include...Hope
Please elaborate! What are FG's Hope-based policies (other than hoping that people aren't too put off by the idea of Kenny as Taoiseach)? How does FG intend to statistically measure the impact of its policies on Hope-levels amongst the voters? Is this an example of the clear distinction between FG and the government parties of FF and Green Party?
 

zeleneye

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Play the ball

Are you suggesting that Brian Hayes and Varadkar are going to be minister for finance, and Tainiste and minister for enterprise in a FG/Lab government?
The poster isn't considering joining FG/Lab! The FG front bench is not inspiring: that is all I am saying.

With the exception of Richard Bruton (as I noted in my post), I find it hard to find anyone in the FG shadow cabinet to inspire confidence.

All I was saying was that joining one uninspiring party instead of another might not help the poster with their political malaise.
 

pfkf

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Every word of that is ridiculous. But I'd like to look at one element...


Please elaborate! What are FG's Hope-based policies (other than hoping that people aren't too put off by the idea of Kenny as Taoiseach)? How does FG intend to statistically measure the impact of its policies on Hope-levels amongst the voters? Is this an example of the clear distinction between FG and the government parties of FF and Green Party?
Hope is about promoting a shared vision of a confident and sustainible Ireland for the future one of excellence and ambition.
 

flavirostris

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I made a New Year's resolution to myself: that I would become politically involved in 2009. I have been becoming more and more disillusioned with the direction that this country has being going in for years now and have, rather than snipe from the sidelines, resolved to do what I can to effect positive change here. Even if that involves sticking leaflets through letterboxes so be it, at least it's a commitment. Obama's election in the US was also an inspirational lesson in grassroots activism.

I've been appalled by the FF administration for many years for all of the standard reasons (corruption, incompetence, parochialism and awful mismanagement - I wouldn't trust any of the current troika running the country to run my local sweetshop). The PDs are defunct. Labour is a tool of the union dinosaurs. Sinn Fein hold no appeal for me. I'm a reasonably intelligent, university-educated professional with your standard middle-class profile. My leanings are moderately libertarian by instinct.

So, of the mainstream political parties, Fine Gael is the only one that I would consider joining.

Tell me why I should do this!
Do it.
FG are the only ones who can put an alternative to FF together. They are the only ones who will not coalesce with FF.
I joined comparatively recently myself. Joining FG is taking positive action towards removing FF.
 

Eurocitizen

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The answer to your question is difficult to answer but I would encourge you to get involved in active politics and encourage others to do likewise .
FG are a democratic party so I could not advise you not to join but you appear to like what they stand for so go join you could have a lot to contribute and they would be more that happy to have you as you are educated and middleclass .
 

borntorum

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Hope is about promoting a shared vision of a confident and sustainible Ireland for the future one of excellence and ambition.


We must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
 

Eurocitizen

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Do it.
FG are the only ones who can put an alternative to FF together. They are the only ones who will not coalesce with FF.
I joined comparatively recently myself. Joining FG is taking positive action towards removing FF.
If FG are to get power it will have to be with the help of those parties who have coaleced with FF ,will FG have problems with that? or will they take SF on board.
 

wombat

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Do it.
FG are the only ones who can put an alternative to FF together. They are the only ones who will not coalesce with FF.
I joined comparatively recently myself. Joining FG is taking positive action towards removing FF.
Basically the same reason I joined. I returned to Ireland after the 2002 election and could not believe what had happened - it looked like FF forever. Fine if you were a builder, better if you were a developer but I'm neither and never bought the hype. At some stage you need to take action - as Enda Kenny said at a meeting, seats are not won by saying Novenas.
 

Neutral2009

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You should join Fine Gael, because you will be joining one of the most dynamic, enterprising and rewarding teams in the country. Fine Gael is Ireland's fastest growing political movement. It has a new team that is ready to govern, it has the right balance of youth and experiance. Fine Gael is going to overtake Fianna Fail as the largest political party in Ireland.

Fine Gael core values include: Equality of opportunity, Enterprise and Reward, Security, Integrity and Hope. Fine Gael, beleives in a Universal Health Service and a Universal Education Service. Fine Believes in the fundmentals of our economy and has proven correct on the everything that it has said and suggested about the economy for many years.

Thats just for starters.

Enda Kenny is a Spoon! The only way forward for FG is to get rid of Kenny and put someone in there with a Brain.
 
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