Why were the National Socialist Party considered to be be Right Wing?

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Why were the National Socialist Party considered to be Right Wing?

I remember being asked to leave a Politics lecture in UL for asking this question. The lecturer began shaking with rage.

I never really understood it. I could never comprehend what exactly what was right wing about their economic policies.

It always reminded me of the Communist Soviet Union, or Fascist Italy run by a man who based his party off his Socialist father and the readings of Nietzsche.
 
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I remember being asked to leave a Politics lecture in UL for asking this question. The lecturer began shaking with rage.

I never really understood it. I could never comprehend what exactly what was right wing about their economic policies.

It always reminded me of the Communist Soviet Union, or Fascist Italy run by a man who based his party off his Socialist father and the readings of Nietzsche.
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Nationalism, Economic focus on the military, Focus on tradition, opposition to immigration, nativism. They fit the definition perfectly, to the extreme, hence the "far right" moniker. Your confusion is probably because some of those tenets were shared by regimes known as "leftist" at the time.
 
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The best educated young people in Europe come out of our secondary schools.
They seem to be thrown out of lectures at UL, too. Makes me wonder if L is worthy of a U, if they're admitting these geniuses, or should that be genies?
 
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Nationalism, Economic focus on the military, Focus on tradition, opposition to immigration, nativism. They fit the definition perfectly, to the extreme, hence the "far right" moniker. Your confusion is probably because some of those tenets were shared by regimes known as "leftist" at the time.
Arra g'wan outta that...sher you've described exactly what communism is.
 

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One might consider parameters like capitalism, secularism, nativism, authoritarianism, militarism etc. The right itself debates where it stands on these things so how are we expected to know?
 

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The fact that UL is considered as a University is kind of funny in fairness.

I don't think that I was ever surrounded by such a group of uneducated sh1ts.
 

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I remember being asked to leave a Politics lecture in UL for asking this question. The lecturer began shaking with rage.

I never really understood it. I could never comprehend what exactly what was right wing about their economic policies.

It always reminded me of the Communist Soviet Union, or Fascist Italy run by a man who based his party off his Socialist father and the readings of Nietzsche.
Who was the lecturer?

Define your terms left/right etc?

Some of the Nazi Brownshirts (SA) were anti capitalist but they were purged not long after Hitler gained power.

Hitler needed the cooperation of Krupp's and the other oligarchs to equip the huge military that he was building.

The Nazis were a radical racist nationalist authoritarian (Facist, duh) movement. Their "left wing" elements were useful dupes.
 

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What were commies though, they were nationalist leftists just like their friends in the Nazi Party and the guineas of Fasci Italiani di Combattimento.
 

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Nationalism, Economic focus on the military, Focus on tradition, opposition to immigration, nativism. They fit the definition perfectly, to the extreme, hence the "far right" moniker. Your confusion is probably because some of those tenets were shared by regimes known as "leftist" at the time.
Hitler and NSDAP though were quite anti-Aristocratic and Republican as well as anti-Christian, particularly anti-Catholic while at the same time fetishizing science and technology. Eugenics at the time would have been seen as something forward looking and "progressive". Than of course there is the support of many of them for "Free Love" and disregard for the family as the basic unit of society.
 

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Nationalism, Economic focus on the military, Focus on tradition, opposition to immigration, nativism. They fit the definition perfectly, to the extreme, hence the "far right" moniker. Your confusion is probably because some of those tenets were shared by regimes known as "leftist" at the time.
Sounds almost word for word like the Soviet Union to me!

Nazi Germany was a mish mash of Right/Left/Green policies

Like a lot of Modern States

- but pushed to hideous extremes at times
 

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What were commies though, they were nationalist leftists just like their friends in the Nazi Party and the guineas of Fasci Italiani di Combattimento.
What grade did you get in "Nazis for First Years"?
 

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I think Perhaps the Nazis clipped the Left wing of their chickens to prevent them flying away....So the intact Right Wing looked more dominant as the chicken attempted to fly away .

Nazi Chickens were very authoritarian and demanded that their left wings were clipped and they preferred their Nazi Salute Right Winged anyway.....
 

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I remember being asked to leave a Politics lecture in UL for asking this question. The lecturer began shaking with rage.

I never really understood it. I could never comprehend what exactly what was right wing about their economic policies.

It always reminded me of the Communist Soviet Union, or Fascist Italy run by a man who based his party off his Socialist father and the readings of Nietzsche.
Ah!I see your confusion: You wonder why it is that the Nazis are considered right wing while the Neoliberals are said to be left wing, In fact they are both extreme right wing but the Neoliberals have the added issue of being a two faced shower of slimy batards at the same time, k
 

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I remember being asked to leave a Politics lecture in UL for asking this question. The lecturer began shaking with rage.

I never really understood it. I could never comprehend what exactly what was right wing about their economic policies.

It always reminded me of the Communist Soviet Union, or Fascist Italy run by a man who based his party off his Socialist father and the readings of Nietzsche.
You mean mis-readings of Nietzsche.

Nietzsche had nothing but contempt for racism and anti-semitism, and the fascist readings of his work are laughable undergraduate howlers.
 

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You mean mis-readings of Nietzsche.

Nietzsche had nothing but contempt for racism and anti-semitism, and the fascist readings of his work are laughable undergraduate howlers.
Does the original poster have a degree? And if so, is it in history/politics/ philosophy? If so, it's a disgrace they got awarded it.
 

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Sounds almost word for word like the Soviet Union to me!

Nazi Germany was a mish mash of Right/Left/Green policies

Like a lot of Modern States

- but pushed to hideous extremes at times
With all due respect, that is bullsh!t.

Exccept for Hitler being a vegetarian, there was nothing "Green" about Nazi Germany. The Hitler Youth was just a over-the-top version of the Boy Scouts dedicated to imperial and racial struggle. What was "left wing" about that?

The leading captains of industry soon made their peace with the regime, expecially as it invested in armaments manufacturing. No a single industry was nationalised. Trades Unions were banned. What is "left wing" about that?

In one reading of Hitler's Germany, see Adam Tooze The Wages of Destruction, the Nazis inflated a massive armaments bubble, sucking up most of the economy's productivity. That could only end in an economic collapse once the armed forces were fully equipped.

Rather than see that happen, the Nazis "consumed" the equipment by going to war, and commandeering the whole European economy to support it, as imperial conquest succeeded.

What is "left wing" or "marxist" about that?
 


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