Why were the National Socialist Party considered to be be Right Wing?

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It's amusing because European white nationalists don't tend to be fans of the EU, often regarding it as eroding national cultures rather than promoting them.

On a broader, funnier, level - it's amusing because it paints a picture of American white nationalists as the European equivalent of "plastic paddies".
They are.
 


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"Why were the National Socialist Party considered to be Right Wing?" - because they were anti-Communist, anti-Internationalist, and insanely anti-semitic.

[video=youtube;_0V_xf3OQgM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0V_xf3OQgM[/video]
 

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"White Nationalism" is such a stupid concept because "White" is not a nationality. The Komi in Siberia for instance have much more in common both culturally and Spiritually with the Ethiopians or the Copts than they do with the contemporary Irish let alone such groups as the Dutch and the Yanks.
 

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I remember being asked to leave a Politics lecture in UL for asking this question. The lecturer began shaking with rage.

I never really understood it. I could never comprehend what exactly what was right wing about their economic policies.

It always reminded me of the Communist Soviet Union, or Fascist Italy run by a man who based his party off his Socialist father and the readings of Nietzsche.
I don't believe you were thrown out. Do you have a video or something to prove it?
 

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Anyhow, here's a Canadian movie setting out Hitler's early life, the start of the NSP, and the Nazis' rise to power:


[video=youtube;dSjkpaXlXIE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSjkpaXlXIE[/video]
 

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I enjoyed it.

There's one thing that most people nowadays don't seem to realise.

Even when he came to power the situation was so bizarre that very few people thought he would last.

Perhaps one reason that there was no army-coup, or that no one shot him, was the expectation that somebody else would soon be taking the necessary direct action.
 

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I enjoyed it.

There's one thing that most people nowadays don't seem to realise.

Even when he came to power the situation was so bizarre that very few people thought he would last.

Perhaps one reason that there was no army-coup, or that no one shot him, was the expectation that somebody else would soon be taking the necessary direct action.
They also thought he would be beholden to the Christian Democrats and controlled by them.

Thats why you can never just relax and say "The wise old men have got this one. Its a flash in the pan."
 

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Ideologies in their purest forms always end up as totalitarian dictatorships, there is no point in trying to decide which is worse when they are just vehicles to empower individuals.

Take anything that is good from ideologies and try not to swallow them whole.
 

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Because the "left" don't want to be associated with the Nazi's which is pretty understandable. How do you justify to people that your socialism is better then the monstrosity that was national socialism. They divorce and deny. Divorce them from your philosophical area of thought and deny they had anything to do with you allowing you to continue to claim the socialist grounds. It pretty rational as no one wants to be associated with such groups especially those that might have been uncomfortable close to them in the early days.

Try this next time there is a socialist rally go to it a repeat some of the stuff that Hitler said in regards to capitalism or the need for a socialist state. Most of them being millennials and uni students won't have heard or know the origins of the quote and there is a 90% they will give you a big round of applause. Or just look up similar examples of youtube.


One also should look at what Marx said especially his views on race. Despite what some say Marx and socialism has a history of racism and classism. In fact Communism and National Socialism used his teaching regarding hostility towards social classes and races (Marx was a rabid racist and anti semite) to justify their killings. Marx believed one can and could be killed based on race and social class. Nazis believed in the racial killing and Lenin and Communism believed in killing people based on social class. Both based on false science, one based on false biology the Nazi racial motivated killings and Lenin social class motivated killings based on false sociology.

For example in a number of articles around 1849 published in Marx journal January and February 1849 issues of ‘Neue Rheinische Zeitung’ an article specifically refers to certain ethnic groups as "racial trash". In March 22nd, 1853, Karl Marx wrote in an article published in the “New York Daily Tribune, "The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way."

Friedrich Engels (Marx’s intellectual partner) talks about the 1848 revolutions said certain classes and races were " destined to perish before long in the revolutionary world storm" effectively calling for a revolutionary holocaust.
Another example of Marx's blatant racism which effected Hitler was his anti semitism. One of Marx's more revolting comments is when he said "The Jews of Poland are the smeariest of all races." (Neue Rheinische Zeitung, April 29, 1849)". There are a huge amount of other antiemetic quotes from Marx that reflected his true beliefs re certain ethnic groups and are proof of the existence of certain beliefs within socialism that modern day socialist do all they can to again understandable hid and deny.


Perhaps the biggest problem though is the lack of technical meaning being given to political labels. Starkest example is that a Liberation is very clearly right wing (political science 101) the more libertarian you are the further right you go. It takes a special kind of ignorance for someone to lump a libertarian in with a Nazi on the political spectrum. But I have said before we really need a separate trend to digs the issue of political labels because as most acknowledge their all over the place. We need to (re)establish what far right means especially if people aren't willing to give it its original and academic meaning.
 

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I enjoyed it.

There's one thing that most people nowadays don't seem to realise.

Even when he came to power the situation was so bizarre that very few people thought he would last.

Perhaps one reason that there was no army-coup, or that no one shot him, was the expectation that somebody else would soon be taking the necessary direct action.
The Conservative Elites who handed him the keys to office thought he'd be their Mussolini - "we're hiring him" is what they said.
He skillfully played on the Conservative's complacency - there were only three National Socialists in his first coalition cabinet - he of course quickly isolated and drove them from any real positions of power.
 

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Try this next time there is a socialist rally go to it a repeat some of the stuff that Hitler said in regards to capitalism or the need for a socialist state. Most of them being millennials and uni students won't have heard or know the origins of the quote and there is a 90% they will give you a big round of applause. Or just look up similar examples of youtube.
I believe a conservative japester in the US has already done this- attended a left-wing event posing as a comrade from out of town and had them cheering a speech comprised entirely of quotes from AH.
 

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We need to (re)establish what far right means especially if people aren't willing to give it its original and academic meaning.
Simple - wikipedia says
In the 2001 book The government and politics of France, Knapp and Wright say that the main factor dividing the left and right wings in Western Europe is class. The Left seeks social justice through redistributive social and economic policies, while the Right defends private property and capitalism.
 

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Because the leftists after the war changed it so as to make out that Hitler and the nazis where right winged , but they were always left .
 

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I remember being asked to leave a Politics lecture in UL for asking this question. The lecturer began shaking with rage.

I never really understood it. I could never comprehend what exactly what was right wing about their economic policies.

It always reminded me of the Communist Soviet Union, or Fascist Italy run by a man who based his party off his Socialist father and the readings of Nietzsche.
You were asked to leave a lecture for asking that question? Seriously, are you telling the truth?

I know Irish third level is a Marxist-ridden joke, but that would surprise even a twisted cynic such as myself.
 


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