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Widespread protests Against the French Governments new Anti-Worker laws

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Widespread protests have been growing against plans by the French government to introduce labour 'reforms' that will undermine workers rights and trade union organisation.

The protests began taking the form of the Nuit Debout gatherings - but in recent days the trade union movement have been actively organising protest and planning general strikes.

Widespread protests, taking place across France, have been attacked by riot police using tear gas, pepper spray and water cannon - including protests today.

Sunday is being planned as the biggest day of protests so far with hundreds of thousands expected onto the streets. Nuit Debout protests are now being planned in other European cities in solidarity with French workers.

Report on Channel 4 during mass protests on 28 April

[video]https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153713381876939/[/video]

Report from Russia Today from the protests taking place today

[video=youtube;EHIVFRasppU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHIVFRasppU[/video]
 


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France has a problem these reforms hope to solve. The problem is its too hard and too expensive to hire someone. Employment laws are insanely difficult and expensive.

A friend got made redundant in France a while back. She had 10 years in the job, so got a tax free redundancy payment of 750,000 Euro, plus dole payments of (I think) 60% of her previous wage tax free.

Why would any company take on staff if there was a risk theyd have to make payouts like that.
 

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I should add she now works as an outsourcing consultant - helping French companies hire abroad, mainly in Ireland.
 

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These reforms are long overdue. There are those on the inside who are cushioned and those on the outside who are mostly young, female and from non-white backgrounds. These protests are gradually losing support as French people see through the sense of entitlement.
 

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Most French people at baffled by these protests. There isn't a single cause, purpose or issue. They hand around a mic at the gatherings so that anyone can voice a grievance about anything. Could be immigration, could be jobs, could be artists benefit reductions, could be geopolitics, animal welfare, the internet, Palestine, the decline of French culture, women rights, you name it. Anything and everything. Everyone who takes the mic has a different moan, whinge, gripe. It's a shambles. And consequently getting more violent and edgy as the moderates do a runner and the usual hardcore marxist thugs come out of the shadows.
 

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What always amazes me in August when I am in France is the large number of businesses which close for the entire month. These far extend beyond family businesses and are both large and small. It indicates firstly that the businesses must make enough money to forego a month's work and I presume the employees are also paid for this leave. I certainly hope so. But it certainly doesn't look like something that can continue without a rethink in the future.
 

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France has a problem these reforms hope to solve. The problem is its too hard and too expensive to hire someone. Employment laws are insanely difficult and expensive.

A friend got made redundant in France a while back. She had 10 years in the job, so got a tax free redundancy payment of 750,000 Euro, plus dole payments of (I think) 60% of her previous wage tax free.

Why would any company take on staff if there was a risk theyd have to make payouts like that.
Your friend must have been in a fairly high position to get that sort of redundancy payout.

As regards French employment legislation, there seems to be a two tier workforce whereby older workers are very well protected whereas many younger workers have problems getting secure Full time employment, French employment laws play a huge part in that.
 

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I'm sure that the French need right wing Irish people telling them their work-life culture and approach to workers' rights should be more like Ireland....
It's actually their (Socialist) government telling them.

Can't really blame the evil right wingers here.
 

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It seems to be Mediterranean thing. I have dealt with the Spanish and Italians and it shut down and holiday time in August .
What always amazes me in August when I am in France is the large number of businesses which close for the entire month. These far extend beyond family businesses and are both large and small. It indicates firstly that the businesses must make enough money to forego a month's work and I presume the employees are also paid for this leave. I certainly hope so. But it certainly doesn't look like something that can continue without a rethink in the future.
 
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It's actually their (Socialist) government telling them.

Can't really blame the evil right wingers here.
Well.. it's Hollande... and he is as much a socialist as Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern were.

But it is quite funny looking at a website filled with right wing basket cases who seem unable to comprehend how the French could possibly not want to adopt the working life and practices of somewhere like Ireland. Where it has been such a roaring success for everyone..............
 
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It's actually their (Socialist) government telling them.

Can't really blame the evil right wingers here.
They should mend their ways and reap the benefits we have enjoyed - zero hour contracts, no job security, no pension, no paid annual holidays, no paid sick leave, no negotiation with unions. The French really are idiots if they don't follow our example.
 

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If someone farts wrong the French protest .

Well.. it's Hollande... and he is as much a socialist as Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern were.

But it is quite funny looking at a website filled with right wing basket cases who seem unable to comprehend how the French could possibly not want to adopt the working life and practices of somewhere like Ireland. Where it has been such a roaring success for everyone..............
 

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Well.. it's Hollande... and he is as much a socialist as Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern were.

But it is quite funny looking at a website filled with right wing basket cases who seem unable to comprehend how the French could possibly not want to adopt the working life and practices of somewhere like Ireland. Where it has been such a roaring success for everyone..............
Nobody has said anything about adopting Irish work practices TA. I'd quite like to have French working conditions myself but can fully see how, in our globalised world, they would be a huge disincentive to employ French workers. Hollande is hardly doing this out of conviction, he's doing it because there is no choice.
 

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They should mend their ways and reap the benefits we have enjoyed - zero hour contracts, no job security, no pension, no paid annual holidays, no paid sick leave, no negotiation with unions. The French really are idiots if they don't follow our example.
Hmmm. I have all those things except the union bit. And I work in a truly evil MNC.
 
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Hmmm. I have all those things except the union bit. And I work in a truly evil MNC.
And what guarantee or protection do you have that will ensure you have them in 5 years from now? I would be the first to agree that the French need some workplace reforms, but there seems to be no happy middle ground where employer and employee can meet. Once workers give an inch it tends to be all one-way traffic from there.
 

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Most French people at baffled by these protests. There isn't a single cause, purpose or issue. They hand around a mic at the gatherings so that anyone can voice a grievance about anything. Could be immigration, could be jobs, could be artists benefit reductions, could be geopolitics, animal welfare, the internet, Palestine, the decline of French culture, women rights, you name it. Anything and everything. Everyone who takes the mic has a different moan, whinge, gripe. It's a shambles. And consequently getting more violent and edgy as the moderates do a runner and the usual hardcore marxist thugs come out of the shadows.
Has anybody mentioned Irish Water yet?
 

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They should mend their ways and reap the benefits we have enjoyed - zero hour contracts, no job security, no pension, no paid annual holidays, no paid sick leave, no negotiation with unions. The French really are idiots if they don't follow our example.
Less than 10% of the French workforce are unionised.

As for Ireland who gets no paid holidays these days.
 


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