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Will a Brexit lead to second Scottish referendum?

ger12

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How can Scotland be denied another referendum if England decided to force Scotland out of the EU should the majority in Scotland vote to remain?


A likely outcome on the Brexit referendum is expected in Scotland, where polls predict a majority ranging from 59 to 75 percent voting in favor of remaining in the EU.

Should the majority of Scots vote to remain in the EU, Scottish independence could become an issue once again, says Alex Salmond.
Alex Salmond says Brexit will lead to second Scottish independence referendum | UK Politics | News | The Independent

Not an unreasonable scenario is it?
 


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Sturgeon will only call one if, in a post-Brexit scenario, polls consistently show 55-60% opting for independence.
 
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The Scottish would be well entitled to another referendum although I understand that the SNP are reluctant to hold one until opinion polls show a consistent and large lead for independence.

However, a Brexit will have effects. If the largest member of a federation turns to the right and shows signs of adopting reactionary politics, the other members will get restive,

Think late 1980s.

Serbia = England.

Yugoslavia = UK.....oslavia.
 

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Its not unreasonable at all, and a border poll in NI is even more reasonable. Scotland has at least had one recent chance to vote on the issue, the nordies haven't, and also Scotland would still be facing a period outside the EU even if they voted out of the UK whereas NI wouldn't.
 

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How can Scotland be denied another referendum if England decided to force Scotland out of the EU should the majority in Scotland vote to remain?


A likely outcome on the Brexit referendum is expected in Scotland, where polls predict a majority ranging from 59 to 75 percent voting in favor of remaining in the EU.

Should the majority of Scots vote to remain in the EU, Scottish independence could become an issue once again, says Alex Salmond.
Alex Salmond says Brexit will lead to second Scottish independence referendum | UK Politics | News | The Independent

Not an unreasonable scenario is it?


That is a bizarre way to look at it.

Scotland had a referendum, that would, if passed, have taken them OUT of the EU.

Now you are saying being out of the EU would be reason to have another?

Bizarre indeed.
 

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This state was founded as a constitutional monarchy because britain decided to deny the will of the people here. Has been no referendum on the issue since. Britain insists on the principle on consent and since the 1980's all irish parliamentary groups have come to accept their terms.

Britain can deny scotland a vote because scotland has no guns or the means to assert its will.
 

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That is a bizarre way to look at it.

Scotland had a referendum, that would, if passed, have taken them OUT of the EU.

Now you are saying being out of the EU would be reason to have another?

Bizarre indeed.
So you say Scotland voted to stay in the EU then? Hence if the UK leave does it not follow they will want to stay and as a result leave the UK? Your own logic seems flawed there.

Scotland want to be in the EU being your point so the UK leaving it will then spark and attempt to leave the UK surely? That is the essence of what you just posted.
 

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Well the Scots voted for the Union, and there doesnt seem any evidence from polls that vote would change if the UK was no longer in the EU.

Nor would it be a done deal that if they voted to exit the UK they would get an automatic entry into the EU.

Tis bizarre in any case that the Scots would vote to leave one Union solely in order to join another - in the name of Independence?

Cor luv a duck - thats politics for you :)
 

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Its not unreasonable at all, and a border poll in NI is even more reasonable. Scotland has at least had one recent chance to vote on the issue, the nordies haven't, and also Scotland would still be facing a period outside the EU even if they voted out of the UK whereas NI wouldn't.
A vote in NI to separate from the UK?
 

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Well the Scots voted for the Union, and there doesnt seem any evidence from polls that vote would change if the UK was no longer in the EU.

Nor would it be a done deal that if they voted to exit the UK they would get an automatic entry into the EU.

Tis bizarre in any case that the Scots would vote to leave one Union solely in order to join another - in the name of Independence?

Cor luv a duck - thats politics for you :)
Don't you mean to stay in the EU Union?
 

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That's what a border poll means, yes.
But separate to where? You'd have to have a country willing to accept you and a vote there as well. Unless NI plans to independent or something.
 

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Don't you mean to stay in the EU Union?
Nope - they voted to stay in the UK, not the EU in the Scots Referendum.

They are part of the UK now - they cant hold a separate Referendum on leaving or joining the EU.

Only in your head they can :)
 

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The only options in a Border Poll under the GFA would be stay in the UK or reunify.

There is no third option for an Independent Six Counties.
The majority of the Norths political parties support staying in the EU, should England choose to leave, you don't see any impact in the six counties?
 
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But separate to where? You'd have to have a country willing to accept you and a vote there as well. Unless NI plans to independent or something.
This country would accept them if the majority of them voted to join us.
 

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Nope - they voted to stay in the UK, not the EU in the Scots Referendum.

They are part of the UK now - they cant hold a separate Referendum on leaving or joining the EU.

Only in your head they can :)
They could demand another referendum under the circumstances all the same.
 

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The majority of the Norths political parties support staying in the UK, should England choose to leave, you don't see any impact in the six counties?
What do you mean? England will choose to leave the UK? That hasnt been mooted yet. Though I wouldnt be surprised if that isnt what happens in oh another, 30 years :)
 

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They could demand another referendum under the circumstances all the same.
They could - but they wont unless the SNP sees clear poll leads for Independence. Which they dont at the moment.
 

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What do you mean? England will choose to leave the UK? That hasnt been mooted yet. Though I wouldnt be surprised if that isnt what happens in oh another, 30 years :)
My mistake, not UK, EU ...
 


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