Will alternative FG/LAB government last longer than one term?

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Will alternative FG/LAB government last longer than one term? Given the country's current perilous position it seems any alternative government is set for a rough ride, like what the FG/LAB coalition experienced in the 1980s. Can two parties with some major differences last in government for more than one term? Maybe FG/LAB will succeed in tough times and get rewarded for bringing integrity and honesty back to Irish politics with a second term or a revived Fianna Fail under Brian Lenihan or whoever could win back their mantle as the party of the people.
 


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Labour has never finished a term of office with who they entered with....
 

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Will alternative FG/LAB government last longer than one term? Given the country's current perilous position it seems any alternative government is set for a rough ride, like what the FG/LAB coalition experienced in the 1980s. Can two parties with some major differences last in government for more than one term? Maybe FG/LAB will succeed in tough times and get rewarded for bringing integrity and honesty back to Irish politics with a second term or a revived Fianna Fail under Brian Lenihan or whoever could win back their mantle as the party of the people.
That depends on who will be the leader of FF that time, if FF have a populist leader who promises it can be like the goods days of 2006 again the irish people might fall for it.
 

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Labour has never finished a term of office with who they entered with....
They finished a full term in office as the National Coalition with Fine Gael from 1973-1977
 

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Sorry for that:oops:
No problems. Fine Gael and Labour coalition governments have collapsed so many times it's hard to remember the only one that didn't.
 

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Well that depends on them. It really is up to them and their attitude.

If we got a vigorous reforming Govt for 5 years that ripped out corruption, got costs/prices across the economy down to a sane level, restored some level of faith in democratic institutions, kept their noses firmly out of the trough - and radically reformed the rules to keep their successors noses out of the trough too!, aggressively supported a strong indiginous SME sector instead of big builders and banks and actually stood up for the people and the interests of Ireland instead of slavishly following orders from external masters then there's no reason why they wouldn't be comfortably returned for a second term.

What's the chances though? I seriously doubt there are more than 4 or 5 FG & Lab TDs who actually understand any of this. The rest are products of the old failed system and sad to say the chances are they'll be as gung-ho with the pork to favoured vested interests, croneyism, jobs-for-the-boys and fruits of the magic money tree as any FFer.

I'd love to be proved wrong on this one though.
 

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Will alternative FG/LAB government last longer than one term? Given the country's current perilous position it seems any alternative government is set for a rough ride, like what the FG/LAB coalition experienced in the 1980s. Can two parties with some major differences last in government for more than one term? Maybe FG/LAB will succeed in tough times and get rewarded for bringing integrity and honesty back to Irish politics with a second term or a revived Fianna Fail under Brian Lenihan or whoever could win back their mantle as the party of the people.
It would depend on the size of their overall majority and the number of seats FF have... could be a scenario like 2007 where FG-LAB could have won but FG were coming from only a 30 seat base. If FG get 60+, they should really aim for an overall majority in the following election.
 

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whose to say that even if FG/LAB did well that the Irish electorate would return them. The same electorate that voted out the successful rainbow coalition of the 1990s.
 

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The stong anti-FF feelings will last for at least the next 5 to 10 years... how could the people forget the crowd that bankrupted our country. FF need a long period in the political wilderness to think about what they have done.
 

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Can't see people forgiving or forgetting in just five years.
 

RahenyFG

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The stong anti-FF feelings will last for at least the next 5 to 10 years... how could the people forget the crowd that bankrupted our country. FF need a long period in the political wilderness to think about what they have done.
Thing is politics, particularly to the public, is all about the here and now. If FG and LAB are in government and become unpopular as the economic situation doesn't get better, they'll find themselves unpopular and Fianna Fail will be popular again. Look at it right now, the economic mess has FF unpopular while FG and LAB are popular, FG slighly that is.

Even back in the 1980s, Haughey and FF were unpopular for their controversial reign in 1982 with the phone tapping incident but the coalition of FG and LAB's struggles to control the economy meant FF and Haughey were popular again as seen by returning to power in 1987.
 

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whose to say that even if FG/LAB did well that the Irish electorate would return them. The same electorate that voted out the successful rainbow coalition of the 1990s.
There's a certain infantilism in the Irish electorate that's true.....but actually the fundamental problem is the system, which encourages and rewards infantilism and voting for "one for everybody in the audience" pork merchants.

Actually Gaybo has a hell of a lot to answer for when I think about it...

Anyways, if FG are worried about this, and I can understand that worry, then they need to spend the next 5 years radically transforming the system so that it encourages and rewards adult behaviour and active participatory citizenship instead of childish and servile behaviour.

Politicians don't like that sort of thing though! That's why I doubt the sort of reforms we need will come from withing the existing setup.

If the next Govt merely tries to keep the existing system of patronage and parish pumps and pork for vested interests, and merely redirect the pork to their own supporters, then they will fail. And take the entire existing State with them.
 

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I like the fact that some people on this forum are jumping on the bandwagon. they don't have an understanding of politics in saying down with FF and up with FG/Lab. 2 cheeks on the same arse people. things wont really change if FF's clones are running about in charge.
 

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a FG/Labour government would be no different from FF, steal from the poor to give to the oligarachs.
 


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