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Will Kenny do what needs to be done or flunk it again?


Edo

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Leaving aside the whole incident in Galway that has brought abortion back into the centre of political life with a bang - the Ryan group also has presented their report to the Minister in regard to legislating or not for abortion on the basis of Supreme court judgements........

What will Kenny do? - he is a vocal anti-abortionist - but he is also Taoiseach and has a duty to uphold the constitution.

What will he do if the report comes back recommending legislation on the basis of the X case and other judgements?

Will he?

A) do nothing for as long as possible- very likely
b) commission another report - 100% if he can get away with it and push the can down the road as long as possible

Will Labour stand for this? - is this the non-economic issue that always seems to break coalition governments

This is getting silly now - and tragic - there will be more cases coming along

If Kenny and some of his party have such a problem with abortion in all cases - well then they should call a referendum that rules out abortion period - in all cases - and no get outs -and put it to the people

then if the people reject this - then they should legistate for the current situation or stand aside and let somebody else who takes their duties seriously on with the job.

this consistent flunking away from the issue is just running out of road now
 

ger12

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He won't have a choice this time round.
 

emulator

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He won't have a choice this time round.
In theory he won't have a choice but that won't stop him having a good go at flunking it. That's why both Government parties voted down the Bill in April. FG do not want this legislation through.....
 

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It would require backbone, something inda and his minders are lacking.
 

Edo

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In theory he won't have a choice but that won't stop him having a good go at flunking it. That's why both Government parties voted down the Bill in April. FG do not want this legislation through.....
Yep - thats what I think will happen - lots of talk about consideration and reflection - borrow Mehole Martins handbook on how to get as many reports commissioned as possible - and hope the whole thing blows over and that the next time it happens - and it will happen until we do the decent thing here - that he won't be in office when it does

Its a cop- out - Fine Gael is divided on the issue - but in the main - it would be anti-abortion - the grassroots are anti- abortion - but their electoral support have a much more nuanced opinion on the matter - but they dont go to FG branch meetings which are populated mainly by the elderly and the 20 somethings going 70 something in mentality..........

Labour have real leverage here - will they use it? - all depends on a report that we the public will not get to see for a good long time yet - if ever
 

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He will put on that very serious pretend face he uses followed by the deeper toned serious voice and refer it to a review team to kick it around long enough to get him clear of actually doing something. Or he could blame it on the Trokia, Sinn Fein, The South Sea bubble, or The last mob. Take your pick.
 

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He will do whatever is safest.

What is safest will depend upon the level of public outrage which follows this recent tragedy and the extent to which that outrage turns out to be justified.
 
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They badly need to make abortion a non-party political issue and get the buy-in from all parties on drafting legislation which will have cross-party support.

It's that simple. If aa prty decides to dissent on the issue then they become the party at fault next time an X case happens.

If they all commit to it none of them suffer politically.

Also they should make it a whip vote and ignore the vote of conscience vote crap that some TD's will claim.

If they're not with the party line on such an issue then throw them out.
 

Grumpy Jack

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Whatever he does, Kenny will be eaten alive by many in his own party and beyond.

Kenny is in a no-win situation here. This is the sort of issue that is so divisive it could actually bring down the government.

I believe he will try to do the right thing by introducing the necessary legislation to cover the X case ruling but will not be able to bring a majority in FG with him to back it. Labour has its own divisions on the issue - and I don't think the govt can rely on FF to support any legislation.

The Savita case in Galway means the govt can no longer kick to touch on this issue - they have to deal with it now.

This is the nightmare scenario for all concerned:

For the pro-lifers, the type of case they assured us could never happen just has.

For the pro-choice side, this will bring out the crazies on the other side and no proper debate will be possible.

And the politicians, whatever they say in public, are scared sh1tless of this issue and would run a mile if they could.
 

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Leaving aside the whole incident in Galway that has brought abortion back into the centre of political life with a bang - the Ryan group also has presented their report to the Minister in regard to legislating or not for abortion on the basis of Supreme court judgements........

What will Kenny do? - he is a vocal anti-abortionist - but he is also Taoiseach and has a duty to uphold the constitution.

What will he do if the report comes back recommending legislation on the basis of the X case and other judgements?

Will he?

A) do nothing for as long as possible- very likely
b) commission another report - 100% if he can get away with it and push the can down the road as long as possible

Will Labour stand for this? - is this the non-economic issue that always seems to break coalition governments

This is getting silly now - and tragic - there will be more cases coming along

If Kenny and some of his party have such a problem with abortion in all cases - well then they should call a referendum that rules out abortion period - in all cases - and no get outs -and put it to the people

then if the people reject this - then they should legistate for the current situation or stand aside and let somebody else who takes their duties seriously on with the job.

this consistent flunking away from the issue is just running out of road now
At this point, its impossible to say if legislation reflecting the X Case judgement would have saved this poor woman's life. I think to use this tragedy to set up a thread in order to preemptively have a go at Kenny seems a bit lame, to be honest.
 

Máistir na Cruinne

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He will put on that very serious pretend face he uses followed by the deeper toned serious voice and refer it to a review team to kick it around long enough to get him clear of actually doing something. Or he could blame it on the Trokia, Sinn Fein, The South Sea bubble, or The last mob. Take your pick.
He should refer the matter to the trioka. They might actually do something about it.
 

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Our Governments don't do leadership.
 

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Everyone is expressing horror at what has happened and sympathy for her husband and family but its too late for our politicans to be sorry, they could have stopped this.

Now the people of Ireland need to be more than just sorry they have to "give a ************************" and pick up the phone or email or march and let the damn politicians know that this MUST be sorted now before another woman dies needlessly.

I hope some judge awards her husband and family about 100million in damages maybe then the government will "give a ************************" as nothing else seems to motivate them.
 

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At this point, its impossible to say if legislation reflecting the X Case judgement would have saved this poor woman's life. I think to use this tragedy to set up a thread in order to preemptively have a go at Kenny seems a bit lame, to be honest.
Unfortunately, the tragedy of Savita is going to be used by all sides to further their agendas and support their arguments in this debate - and to attack those who oppose their stance.
 

Edo

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At this point, its impossible to say if legislation reflecting the X Case judgement would have saved this poor woman's life. I think to use this tragedy to set up a thread in order to preemptively have a go at Kenny seems a bit lame, to be honest.
read the first line of the post - leaving aside the whole incident in Galway................

Its more the Ryan report that has been delivered and how long they are going to sit on it before commissioning another report......this issue should have been dealth with 20 years ago.......

HBAP - Kenny is the Taoiseach - it is his government - he is the one who will deal with this - or not - he gets paid the big bucks (too much IMHO) to do this and to listen to my opinion........your constant excuse making have made you a complete joke around here these days....it is possible to be an FG supporter and not defend every single effing thing this government does
 

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read the first line of the post - leaving aside the whole incident in Galway................

Its more the Ryan report that has been delivered and how long they are going to sit on it before commissioning another report......this issue should have been dealth with 20 years ago.......

HBAP - Kenny is the Taoiseach - it is his government - he is the one who will deal with this - or not - he gets paid the big bucks (too much IMHO) to do this and to listen to my opinion........your constant excuse making have made you a complete joke around here these days....it is possible to be an FG supporter and not defend every single effing thing this government does
Its not "leaving aside the whole incident in Galway", though. If the incident in Galway hadn't happened, you wouldn't have started the thread.
 

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At this point, its impossible to say if legislation reflecting the X Case judgement would have saved this poor woman's life. I think to use this tragedy to set up a thread in order to preemptively have a go at Kenny seems a bit lame, to be honest.
''Leaving aside the whole incident in Galway''
 

hiding behind a poster

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Everyone is expressing horror at what has happened and sympathy for her husband and family but its too late for our politicans to be sorry, they could have stopped this.

Now the people of Ireland need to be more than just sorry they have to "give a ************************" and pick up the phone or email or march and let the damn politicians know that this MUST be sorted now before another woman dies needlessly.

I hope some judge awards her husband and family about 100million in damages maybe then the government will "give a ************************" as nothing else seems to motivate them.
Again, and as is the case on other threads, far too many people are jumping the gun here. It is highly, highly unlikely that X Case legislation would have made any difference to this case.
 

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Its not "leaving aside the whole incident in Galway", though. If the incident in Galway hadn't happened, you wouldn't have started the thread.
That's different to saying that you think the thread is created to have a go at Kenny.
 
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