Will Macron sweep the board? (Final leg of French elections 2017)

petaljam

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So the second round of legislative elections is today, after which Macron is expected to have a large majority and thus a free hand to introduce whatever reforms he likes. In theory anyway.

The saying in France though is that it's preferable to face your opponents in the National Assembly than on the streets, so a majority in parliament may not be the easy ride many in the English speaking world would take it to be.

An apparently very low turnout, lower even than last week's record low of under 50% (this is what I'm hearing, I have no exact numbers or links yet) seems to confirm that Macron and his administration are not being given a huge mandate, rather a sort of dubitative consent to "give it a go" and see what happens.

So if, despite that, anyone's interested in following the results, it's here I hope
 


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Waiting to see how many the FN will get. Wont be very many because the system is gerrymandered against the FN.

-"BBC" said:
......Here are some of the key battles to look out for:
Ex-Education Minister Najat Vallaud-Belkacem could be turfed out of her Rhône seat by Bruno Bonnell from LREM
National Front MP Gilbert Collard is neck and neck with ex-bullfighter and LREM candidate Marie Sara
Manuel Valls, the unpopular Socialist ex-prime minister rejected as a candidate by both LREM and the Socialists, is tipped for victory in his Essonne seat
Leading centre-right figure Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet has a real fight on her hands against LREM novice Gilles Le Gendre
FN leader Marine Le Pen is likely to win in the Pas-de-Calais department of northern France where she is facing LREM novice Anne Roquet
Far-left ex-presidential candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon is expected to win his battle in Marseille against LREM first-timer, Corinne Versini
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Most polling stations are now either closed or about to close, since unlike the presidentials, those in smaller towns close at 6pm French time, 7pm for some others, with only the very biggest cities keeping their polling stations open till 8pm.

Another factor that won't help participation rates. But the 8pm closing time for all was new for the presidentials.
 
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We'll see soon enough. Madame Quirell is on the job at the moment.
 

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Waiting to see how many the FN will get. Wont be very many because the system is gerrymandered against the FN.
:roll:

When Le Pen Snr got through to the second round despite having less than 20% of the vote, it wasn't gerrymandering it was how the system worked. The proof that very few voters wanted him there at all was the strength of his rejection in the second round.

So no. Won't be very many because the FN is not doing well in the polls these days. The feeling here is that Marine Le Pen's terrible performance in the debate is continuing to harm her party's chances.
I've always said that keeping people and parties away from media coverage is a mistake, it allows them to play the victim card. Putting her out there and seeing just how hopeless she really is, was exactly the right thing to do.
 

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:roll:

When Le Pen Snr got through to the second round despite having less than 20% of the vote, it wasn't gerrymandering it was how the system worked. The proof that very few voters wanted him there at all was the strength of his rejection in the second round.

The feeling here is that Marine Le Pen's terrible performance in the debate is continuing to harm her party's chances.
No but theres something seriously unrepresentative about a system that gives 70% of the seats to a party on 29% of the vote, and just 1% to a party on 13% of the vote. It makes the UK system look representative. It may also explain why French govts are met by all these protests no matter who is in charge as millions go unrepresented in parliament.
 

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We'll see soon enough. Madame Quirell is on the job at the moment.
I forgot to say BTW that our polling station doesn't keep a rolling tally of participation - I wasn't sure when you asked last time, I couldn't remember having seen any, even when I did the count one time, but I've checked since, and they don't. The final participation rates for all the stations will be published at la Salle des Fêtes after closing time. (We don't vote there.)
 

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No but theres something seriously unrepresentative about a system that gives 70% of the seats to a party on 29% of the vote, and just 1% to a party on 13% of the vote. It makes the UK system look representative. It may also explain why French govts are met by all these protests no matter who is in charge as millions go unrepresented in parliament.
But they don't go unrepresented, they get a second vote. :roll:
You might as well say that anyone who votes for a candidate who is eliminated on the first count in STV goes unrepresented too.
 

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Proportional Representation would be a fairer system.
 

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Proportional Representation would be a fairer system.
Here, you seem to have dropped this : IMO



(There's no support for it here in France, they prefer to have a week or two to make their final decision, instead of having to list their preferences "blind" so to speak. And I say that as someone who has often suggested that it might be a good idea. There is no perfect democratic election method, so the next best is obviously the one that most people in a particular country are most at ease with.)
 

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Proportional Representation would be a fairer system.
Proportional representation may be a more represantative system, but as we saw in Ireland, it can be hell to try form a Government from such a representative assembly.

Furthermore it is not the French system. That system has it's own checks and balances.
 

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So France has fallen completely to the pervert macron
I think decent people have lost all hope there of turn around at least through the "Democratic" system. I don't blame them. I'm surprised that neither Des or Petaljam have commented on my present avatar. Jean Bastien-Thiry knew exactly what being a soldier should mean and acted in accordance to his vocation, he refused a blind fold before they killed and clutching his rosary beads looked his murderers straight in the eye- let us pray that France still holds such sons and daughters within her Armed Forces.
 
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I was watching France 24 earlier. It seems that MPs can hold on to their day jobs after election, except for consultants.

Did I hear that right?
 

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I think decent people have lost all hope there of turn around at least through the "Democratic" system. I don't blame them. I'm surprised that neither Des or Petaljam have commented on my present avatar. Jean Bastien-Thiry knew exactly what being a soldier should mean and acted in accordance to his vocation, he refused a blind fold before they killed and clutching his rosary beads looked his murderers straight in the eye- let us pray that France still holds such sons and daughters within her Armed Forces.
Idiot. Really an idiot or just trolling? Still an idiot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Bastien-Thiry

A murderous traitor to his oath .
 


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