Will SF regret not using this position of absolute power?

Disillusioned democrat

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2010
Messages
15,781
With 7 MPs Sinn Fein could change the Westminster maths overnight.

They have many excuses NOT to do this, but if Brexit goes, as it appears to be going, to a potentially disastrous no deal exit will future generations look back in bewilderment as a political party stood idly by as the government they could displace runs their constituents, North and South , over a cliff.

Is SF too stuck in the past to exploit this once in a lifetime opportunity to make a difference or are their actual objectives so specific that they're relatively happy to see the economies and lives of the people they represent suffer?
 


Levellers

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 30, 2011
Messages
14,162
After what Johnson has just done SF would be sitting on the Westminster lawn with the other opposition MPs.
 

Disillusioned democrat

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2010
Messages
15,781
After what Johnson has just done SF would be sitting on the Westminster lawn with the other opposition MPs.
No - the coalition with the greatest number of seats gets to be the government - I believe they could actually change the government on Oct 14 if they came as a single entity.
 

PBP voter

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 18, 2015
Messages
9,326
They bottled it all round.

Not only on the Westminster issue as the OP has covered but also Stormont.

Stormont could have had a real influence on the whole Brexit issue. In the South it's seen as a talking shop(rightly or wrongly) and this was a golden opportunity to show SF can be something other than a party of protest.
 

Levellers

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 30, 2011
Messages
14,162
No point having an Assembly if the DUP are continually plundering the treasury and denying equal rights to various folk.
 

AhNowStop

Well-known member
Joined
May 23, 2017
Messages
9,424
With 7 MPs Sinn Fein could change the Westminster maths overnight.

They have many excuses NOT to do this, but if Brexit goes, as it appears to be going, to a potentially disastrous no deal exit will future generations look back in bewilderment as a political party stood idly by as the government they could displace runs their constituents, North and South , over a cliff.

Is SF too stuck in the past to exploit this once in a lifetime opportunity to make a difference or are their actual objectives so specific that they're relatively happy to see the economies and lives of the people they represent suffer?
oh ffs not this nonsense again :rolleyes:

I dont know how or why you dont realise this but SF toddling into the HoC would be mana from heaven for the Brexiteers and the DUP as it would immediately galvanise the house "against" whatever they (SF) were for...

how many time does this need explained ?


Unless of course you are just shinner bashing in which case you know all the above only too well
 

WayOutWest

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 20, 2013
Messages
1,560
Why would anyone think that seven SF MPs would influence or be allowed to influence the British parliament. How many other MPs would vote against any motion supported by SF just for the satisfaction of opposing SF.
 

Mickeymac

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 30, 2010
Messages
39,622
oh ffs not this nonsense again :rolleyes:

I dont know how or why you dont realise this but SF toddling into the HoC would be mana from heaven for the Brexiteers and the DUP as it would immediately galvanise the house "against" whatever they (SF) were for...

how many time does this need explained ?


Unless of course you are just shinner bashing in which case you know all the above only too well

Pathetic response at baiting/SF bashing sir, especially from a so called democrat.

Where do these guys come from?:LOL:
 

Hogsback

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 9, 2011
Messages
1,564
With 7 MPs Sinn Fein could change the Westminster maths overnight.

They have many excuses NOT to do this, but if Brexit goes, as it appears to be going, to a potentially disastrous no deal exit will future generations look back in bewilderment as a political party stood idly by as the government they could displace runs their constituents, North and South , over a cliff.

Is SF too stuck in the past to exploit this once in a lifetime opportunity to make a difference or are their actual objectives so specific that they're relatively happy to see the economies and lives of the people they represent suffer?
Their objective is a United Ireland.
This provides the best opportunity in a very long time.
Their best way to advance that is by staying out of Westminster's business - which has been their clearly stated position all along.

Any hardship that results is owned by Westminster, and by those Irish people who have failed to realize how dangerous it is to have about a quarter of the island in the sole ownership of a foreign power.
 

Mickeymac

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 30, 2010
Messages
39,622
Their objective is a United Ireland.
This provides the best opportunity in a very long time.
Their best way to advance that is by staying out of Westminster's business - which has been their clearly stated position all along.

Any hardship that results is owned by Westminster, and by those Irish people who have failed to realize how dangerous it is to have about a quarter of the island in the sole ownership of a foreign power.

Some so called "Nationalists" are even suggesting here today they don't contest winnable seats for SF in favour of unionist remainer candidates...……….I sh1t you not. :ROFLMAO:
 

PBP voter

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 18, 2015
Messages
9,326
SF lost loads of votes in the local and European elections.

Their strategy isn't popular.
 

Rocky

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 9, 2004
Messages
8,537
Their objective is a United Ireland.
This provides the best opportunity in a very long time.
Their best way to advance that is by staying out of Westminster's business - which has been their clearly stated position all along.

Any hardship that results is owned by Westminster, and by those Irish people who have failed to realize how dangerous it is to have about a quarter of the island in the sole ownership of a foreign power.
This sums up Sinn Fein's mindset quite well. **** it if people have to suffer, we can't be blamed for it and we believe that people suffering will help us achieve our aims.

If there was 7 SDLP MPs in Westminister, I think they could have achieved a lot at this stage and the outlook would be different right now. SF would have to become a very different party to achieve anything here though. They are far too insular, defensive, paranoid and it's impossible to see them building up working relationships with British MPs to achieve anything.
 

Glenshane4

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 5, 2012
Messages
9,747
With 7 MPs Sinn Fein could change the Westminster maths overnight.

They have many excuses NOT to do this, but if Brexit goes, as it appears to be going, to a potentially disastrous no deal exit will future generations look back in bewilderment as a political party stood idly by as the government they could displace runs their constituents, North and South , over a cliff.

Is SF too stuck in the past to exploit this once in a lifetime opportunity to make a difference or are their actual objectives so specific that they're relatively happy to see the economies and lives of the people they represent suffer?
I want the UK to leave the EU. The EU is full of foreigners and, worse, it is filling Northern Ireland with foreigners. If there had been better immigration controls in the 17th century, my life would not have been ruined by the descendants of the immigrants from the Scottish Lowlands.
 

death or glory

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 1, 2012
Messages
19,569
I want the UK to leave the EU. The EU is full of foreigners and, worse, it is filling Northern Ireland with foreigners. If there had been better immigration controls in the 17th century, my life would not have been ruined by the descendants of the immigrants from the Scottish Lowlands.
What happened Glenshane,
Did them big strong prod lads bully you on the way to school, ya wee pet.
Anyhow we are on the same side over Brexit.
Do you want the wall built as well?
 

death or glory

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 1, 2012
Messages
19,569
Why would anyone think that seven SF MPs would influence or be allowed to influence the British parliament. How many other MPs would vote against any motion supported by SF just for the satisfaction of opposing SF.
Yeah,
As if any remainer would vote for Brexit just because SF wanted to remain.
Is it stupidity or just ignorance?
 

Round tower

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 9, 2011
Messages
7,360
Why would anyone think that seven SF MPs would influence or be allowed to influence the British parliament. How many other MPs would vote against any motion supported by SF just for the satisfaction of opposing SF.
SF keep claiming this but is their any proof of this, those claiming that MP's opposed to Brexit an a no deal brexit will suddenly change because SF tiik up their seats in the HOC. Well the only way we will know is to test the theory.
 

Baron von Biffo

Well-known member
Joined
May 16, 2007
Messages
12,574
With 7 MPs Sinn Fein could change the Westminster maths overnight.

They have many excuses NOT to do this, but if Brexit goes, as it appears to be going, to a potentially disastrous no deal exit will future generations look back in bewilderment as a political party stood idly by as the government they could displace runs their constituents, North and South , over a cliff.

Is SF too stuck in the past to exploit this once in a lifetime opportunity to make a difference or are their actual objectives so specific that they're relatively happy to see the economies and lives of the people they represent suffer?
SF will always put form ahead of substance. It's far more important to them to keep their most cretinous, knuckle-dragging supporters happy that they're still living in the past than to take responsibility and behave like professional politicians.

It's a little window into what's in store for us when they finally enter a coalition in the Dail.
 

peader odonnell

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 12, 2007
Messages
3,585
Conor Murphy was quite emphatic to Tommy Gorman yesterday,"no " was the answer , someday SF will grow up.
 

McSlaggart

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 29, 2010
Messages
18,011
With 7 MPs Sinn Fein could change the Westminster maths overnight.

They have many excuses NOT to do this, but if Brexit goes, as it appears to be going, to a potentially disastrous no deal exit will future generations look back in bewilderment as a political party stood idly by as the government they could displace runs their constituents, North and South , over a cliff.

Is SF too stuck in the past to exploit this once in a lifetime opportunity to make a difference or are their actual objectives so specific that they're relatively happy to see the economies and lives of the people they represent suffer?
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top