Will the real FG please stand up?

Disillusioned democrat

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FG's new kid on the block, Maria Walsh - the liberal wet-dream - female, gay, media savvy - is going toe to toe with grass roots YFG President for doing what FG have been doing for decades - basically being a right-wing conservative party.


It's farcical - FG are turning themselves inside out - they seem to have lost all sense of purpose and direction.
 


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she is good looking tho, it would be nice to see her in one of lesbian porn videos!
 

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FG's new kid on the block, Maria Walsh - the liberal wet-dream - female, gay, media savvy - is going toe to toe with grass roots YFG President for doing what FG have been doing for decades - basically being a right-wing conservative party.


It's farcical - FG are turning themselves inside out - they seem to have lost all sense of purpose and direction.
FG have not been a 'right-wing conservative party' for decades except in the fevered imaginings of some on the Irish left, who see them as the stray spawn of the GOP and the Tories. Your liberal wet-dream media-savvy lesbian is a good deal nearer the mark.
 

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Fine Gael were established as a Fascist political party though - Fine Gael's first Führer was the rabid Nazi, Herr Eoin O'Duffy.

Fine Gael pretend that Cosgrave was its first leader but he wasn't - he was just their speaker in the 'Southern Ireland' House of Commons.

The irony is that Cosgrave was a fascist as well - see the little Fine Gael Nazi giving the salute here behind the Führer in this rare photo.

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I don't agree with the YFG leader going to that conference, but I also think the criticism from commentators is a bit OTT. When we were dominated by the Church we were punished for dissenting. And now when we are have a liberal consensus we are also punished for dissenting.

I recently saw the RTE documentary "No country for women", and there's a part in the program where it mentions one of the very few Independent Socialists who won election to the Dail and how he was pilloried for ties with the Left, and told to "disassociate himself" from them. It's similar now except the ideology has changed.
 

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Fine Gael seem to becoming very intolerant of Ireland's Christian and Gaelic past. Well actually they are intolerant.
 

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Fine Gael were established as a Fascist political party though - Fine Gael's first Führer was the rabid Nazi, Herr Eoin O'Duffy.

Fine Gael pretend that Cosgrave was its first leader but he wasn't - he was just their speaker in the 'Southern Ireland' House of Commons.

The irony is that Cosgrave was a fascist as well - see the little Fine Gael Nazi giving the salute here behind the Führer in this rare photo.

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Fine Gael members and men who were in the renegade Free State army (deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles) that are now called the Defence Forces, (Fascist Blueshirts) fought side-by-side with the Nazis during the Spanish Civil War.
 

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The wisdom of attending this in the first place is questionable, but I'm not sure if it is a resignation issue.
 

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Fine Gael were established as a Fascist political party though - Fine Gael's first Führer was the rabid Nazi, Herr Eoin O'Duffy.

Fine Gael pretend that Cosgrave was its first leader but he wasn't - he was just their speaker in the 'Southern Ireland' House of Commons.

The irony is that Cosgrave was a fascist as well - see the little Fine Gael Nazi giving the salute here behind the Führer in this rare photo.

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What a pathetic contribution - remind me what branch of SF are you in? Until you have the ability to base your argument on genuine facts, rather than made-up fantasy, you would be well-advised to give your key-board a rest.
 

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What a pathetic contribution - remind me what branch of SF are you in? Until you have the ability to base your argument on genuine facts, rather than made-up fantasy, you would be well-advised to give your key-board a rest.
What is pathetic is your attempt to deny the historical facts. A rudimentary check online is all anyone has to do to know the truth.

And my family are Fianna Fail - not that there is anything wrong with Sinn Fein.

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It's funny how Maria Walsh had nothing to say when Varadkar was forced to admit meeting Denis O'Brien in Davos.

Trying to figure out which intolerable events to be "woke" intolerant of must be exhausting.
 

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The lines have become so blurred between all our parties now, seems to me that all they stand for is abortion and homosexual marriage, the react rather that hold firm convictions.
 

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The lines have become so blurred between all our parties now, seems to me that all they stand for is abortion and homosexual marriage, the react rather that hold firm convictions.
It does seem that political careers are now all about keeping an eye on the mob and trying to make the highest score on the woke-ometer.

Maria Walsh has no real policies and certainly no track record to demonstrate that she will be a good MEP, but she's woke, liberal and ironically massively intolerant of people she needs to be intolerant of her, even if they aren't.

The phenomena of the "ultra" gay pride march this year should be a salutary bellwether for many, where people felt the need to shun the organised pride events because, well, they were too mainstream. Some people can only exist as victims of intolerance and can't succeed being tolerated, so they have to try to create intolerance.
 

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Great post, full of wisdom, does Gay Pride last all year round now?
My local library has a book stand full of gay literature with graphically illustrated covers, should not be where there are young children.
 

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Great post, full of wisdom, does Gay Pride last all year round now?
My local library has a book stand full of gay literature with graphically illustrated covers, should not be where there are young children.
It's not really a "gay" vs "straight" issue so much as a party split by mutually exclusive ideology.

5 years ago the idea of FG being a "liberal" party would have been unthinkable, but yet here we have woke MEPs demanding YFG guts resign for doing what FG have done for years. FG have been abysmal in office - health, housing, justice, they're all a joke - but they continue to surf the liberal tidal wave with cool referenda.

At some stage they'll run out of cool referenda and then their lack of real success will catch up with them (hopefully), but as a party massively divided ideologically they've nothing to offer.
 

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FG's new kid on the block, Maria Walsh - the liberal wet-dream - female, gay, media savvy - is going toe to toe with grass roots YFG President for doing what FG have been doing for decades - basically being a right-wing conservative party.


It's farcical - FG are turning themselves inside out - they seem to have lost all sense of purpose and direction.
Political Parties are like buses - people are always getting on and off. It's the nature of the beast there are no defining attributes for them across time. FG have been a Fascist Party, a Commonwealth Party, a Centre Party, a Christian Democrat Party, a United Ireland Party and a Liberal Party throughout their history and much else besides.
 

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Political Parties are like buses - people are always getting on and off. Nature of the beast there are no defining attributes for them across time.
That in itself is depressing, but possibly a very "Irish" thing.

Tory's in the UK don't often find themselves members of the Labour party, Democrats don't often find themselves at a Republican rally picking the next president.

Maybe Irish politics is too personality based and not sufficiently ideology based, which may be why we continually get crap governments and even crapper opposition.
 


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