Will the Solidarity/PBP tail be allowed to wag the Sinn Féin dog?

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You can't blame them for a bit of chutzpah. After all, having crashed to 2% in the opinion polls they have little to lose and much to gain. So, it stands to reason that the Solidarity/PBP (name subject to change without notice) folks are offering a party that are eight times more popular (Sinn Féin) a place on their broad "left" platform subject to certain conditions.

The conditions? Sinn Féin would have to rule out any coalition with Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael or Labour before they could become part of Paul, Richard and Ruth's gang.

Of course, that would only be the start of it. If you're in an alliance with other parties, you're not going to be competing against them in any constituency. In effect, Solidarity/PBP which has little or no presence over most of the country will be hooking into Sinn Féin's huge nationwide network and there'll only be one winner there.

Sinn Féin allowed themselves to be out-manoeuvered on water charges by Sol/PBP. They can't let it happen again.

RTÉ News: Solidarity/PBP offers Sinn Féin a place on a "broad left platform".
 


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There won't be any sort of pact with the Socialist Party. Besides the fact they hate SF they are also a unionist party who wish to bring Ireland back into the UK (although they call it the Federation of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland).
 

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Are you OK was?

You seem to be taking the jobstown verdict very hard.
 

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There won't be any sort of pact with the Socialist Party. Besides the fact they hate SF they are also a unionist party who wish to bring Ireland back into the UK (although they call it the Federation of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland).
A Republican socialist federation.

It's not as if they want us back under the Tory yoke..
 

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Sinn Féin allowed themselves to be out-manoeuvered on water charges by Sol/PBP. They can't let it happen again.

RTÉ News: Solidarity/PBP offers Sinn Féin a place on a "broad left platform".
Sinn Fekn jumped on the water charges bandwagon. Adams and Mary McDonald paid theirs. The PBP lot got the ball going there. As they only have some strong local candidates rahter than a national movement, PBP are under represented in polls.


There won't be any sort of pact with the Socialist Party. Besides the fact they hate SF they are also a unionist party who wish to bring Ireland back into the UK (although they call it the Federation of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland).
Sinn Fein is also a Unionist party. It props up the DUP in the North of Ireland and is funded in large part by the Brit.
 

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Are you OK was?

You seem to be taking the jobstown verdict very hard.
No, I'm pleased. Paul Murphy will have to try harder to be a hero for his oppressed masses.

Anyway.....back on topic.
 

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No, I'm pleased. Paul Murphy will have to try harder to be a hero for his oppressed masses.

Anyway.....back on topic.
I'll leave you to it.
 

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Well Sinn Fein have a choice to make, do they wish to continue espousing populist nonsense like Solidarity or do they become more mainstream with their beliefs under a new leader?
 

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It's very gracious of the PBP to offer terms to the party with 4 times their TDs and 5 times their popular support. I'm sure SF are popping the champagne corks at the possibility of going in with these guys.
 

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Sinn Fekn jumped on the water charges bandwagon. Adams and Mary McDonald paid theirs. The PBP lot got the ball going there. As they only have some strong local candidates rahter than a national movement, PBP are under represented in polls.
Any party that does such an obvious strategic U-turn loses the respect of the public. SF should have stuck to their original position on water charges.They effectively let the Solidarity/PBP dictate policy on that issue. After that, they were always going to be playing catch-up.
 

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Any party that does such an obvious strategic U-turn loses the respect of the public. SF should have stuck to their original position on water charges.They effectively let the Solidarity/PBP dictate policy on that issue. After that, they were always going to be playing catch-up.
Murphy's win the by election in 2014 certainly resulted in SF's chances of winning 2 seats in Dublin South West in the 2016 GE going down the toilet. I think in DSW SF didn't even get a full quota between Crowe and Holland.
 

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Wascurito

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Murphy's win the by election in 2014 certainly resulted in SF's chances of winning 2 seats in Dublin South West in the 2016 GE going down the toilet. I think in DSW SF didn't even get a full quota between Crowe and Holland.
There's a long history of small parties from the political fringes out-manoeuvering and devouring a larger more centrist party. Sinn Féin needs to guard against this.
 

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They do make a good point though.

SF is a party that has never had any problem using sectarian slurs against other people/parties. They've even accused sporting figures of being various things over the years. SF is a party based on intolerance for the other.
Personalized attacks are, of course, not acceptable. However, I do think that Sinn Féin could make a lot of hay by exposing and highlighting Solidarity/PBP's opposition to a united Ireland.
 

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Im sure theyll manage to wag each other on the opposition benches is where all concerned intend to stay
 

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There's a long history of small parties from the political fringes out-manoeuvering and devouring a larger more centrist party. Sinn Féin needs to guard against this.
SF have a dilemma as regards their policies when Adams steps down, If they wish to go into coalition with FG or FF they will have to tone down their policies.
 

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The alphabets will never be in power anywhere, so talk of a coalition is purely academic. They would run a mile from making decisions and accepting responsibility. Their sole ambition is to be a party of protest, professional if possible by getting their candidates elected.
 

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The alphabets will never be in power anywhere, so talk of a coalition is purely academic. They would run a mile from making decisions and accepting responsibility. Their sole ambition is to be a party of protest, professional if possible by getting their candidates elected.
Unlike Labour, who destroyed the social fabric of the country and caused unreal suffering to the irish people. 600 more families thrown into homelessness since March, thanks to policies supported and enacted by the last government.
 

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This is basically an invite to Sinn Féin from Paul and his gang to remain in opposition perpetually.
 


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