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Will the Swiss Start a Social Welfare System Similar to Our Successful One?

greengoose2

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Money for nothing? Swiss vote on basic income for all.

Let's see how this one works out!

“If you pay people to do nothing, they will do nothing,” Charles Wyplosz, economics professor at the Geneva Graduate Institute, told AFP.

Proponents reject that, arguing people naturally want to be productive, and a basic income would simply provide them more flexibility to choose the activities they find most valuable.
The first quote by Wyplosz would seem to be the correct one judging from our own lazy welfare recipients. Give them a job and pay for the labour is the simplest way forward.
 


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I think opinion polls have stated that this proposal will be rejected by the Swiss electorate, unlike a lot of Irish voters the Swiss electorate for the most part is slightly more financially literate. Have supporters estimated how much a guaranteed basic income would cost and the likely consequences?
 

greengoose2

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I think opinion polls have stated that this proposal will be rejected by the Swiss electorate, unlike a lot of Irish voters the Swiss electorate for the most part is slightly more financially literate. Have supporters estimated how much a guaranteed basic income would cost and the likely consequences?
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Authorities have estimated an additional 25 billion francs would be needed annually to cover the costs, requiring deep spending cuts or significant tax hikes.
 

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Money for nothing? Swiss vote on basic income for all.

Let's see how this one works out!



The first quote by Wyplosz would seem to be the correct one judging from our own lazy welfare recipients. Give them a job and pay for the labour is the simplest way forward.
I would agree with one variation.


People should seek the job. It is the now, all pervasive "give me" attitude that is at the heart of so many social and economic problems today.
 

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In other words the Basic Income proposal is social welfare by another name despite supporters claiming that It will replace the welfare state.
 

greengoose2

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In other words the Basic Income proposal is social welfare by another name despite supporters claiming that It will replace the welfare state.
How their current unemployment works is, that you have a job. You are deducted for AVS (basic state pension) and unemployment insurance. On losing your job you will be paid max 80% of your last salary for a period of two years, after which you will work at some job provided by the state for one year, if my memory serves me right. They usually accept three refusals and then you are obliged to knuckled down.

Simple!
 

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Money for nothing? Swiss vote on basic income for all.

Let's see how this one works out!



The first quote by Wyplosz would seem to be the correct one judging from our own lazy welfare recipients. Give them a job and pay for the labour is the simplest way forward.
Absolute total complete BOL*OX from Hitlers henchmen. Not smart enough to cut his own fu*ckin toenails.
Stop the corruption in the jobs market first. Stop the wizard professors in emerald city dishing out vary valuable pieces of paper to complete gobs*hites. Stop the friends and relations first policy. Stop putting the Yes classes in positions of power and self deceiving influence. Just get off the bandwagon ye creep a do a days work ('cos if your watching everybody else your not doing much yourself.). This is how you sneaky useless little bas*tards survive, by laying traps and pointing the finger elsewhere and then a haw haw haw with your clone buddies.


I've come to the conclusion that you self appointed philosophers are 5th columnists whose function it is to keep the intelligentsia very busy with minutia while 'you' the pedantic run away with the loot.
 
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If your're unskilled unemployed with a large family receiving dole, rent allowance, mickey money etc, there's no incentive to work because you won't make as much as on the dole.

With a basic income, it removes that poverty trap and any income you'd make working would be in addition to not instead of the basic income.
 

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Absolute total complete BOL*OX from Hitlers henchmen. Not smart enough to cut his own fu*ckin toenails.
Stop the corruption in the jobs market first. Stop the wizard professors in emerald city dishing out vary valuable pieces of paper to complete gobs*hites. Stop the friends and relations first policy. Stop putting the Yes classes in positions of power and self deceiving influence. Just get off the bandwagon ye creep a do a days work ('cos if your watching everybody else your not doing much yourself.)


I've come to the conclusion that you self appointed philosophers are 5th columnists whose function it is to keep the intelligentsia very busy with minutia while the pedantic run away with the loot.
What are you ranting about?
 

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If your're unskilled unemployed with a large family receiving dole, rent allowance, mickey money etc, there's no incentive to work because you won't make as much as on the dole.

With a basic income, it removes that poverty trap and any income you'd make working would be in addition to not instead of the basic income.
In their system, there are very few unskilled. They have FREE education and ample job opportunities. The moment the begging hand goes out it will never go back in!
 

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If your're unskilled unemployed with a large family receiving dole, rent allowance, mickey money etc, there's no incentive to work because you won't make as much as on the dole.

With a basic income, it removes that poverty trap and any income you'd make working would be in addition to not instead of the basic income.
With the basic income It also motivates some people to do nothing instead of seeking work unless there are conditions applied.
 

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With the basic income It also motivates some people to do nothing instead of seeking work unless there are conditions applied.
There seems to be a bizarre misconception among many that people on basic income are "stealing the food from our mouths."

Apparently a lot more people are comfortable working low-paid jobs and perpetuating the poverty circle.

Nobody becomes a millionaire doing either. Not all dole recipients are out burning effigies of the Queen.
 

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There seems to be a bizarre misconception among many that people on basic income are "stealing the food from our mouths."

Apparently a lot more people are comfortable working low-paid jobs and perpetuating the poverty circle.

Nobody becomes a millionaire doing either. Not all dole recipients are out burning effigies of the Queen.
Do you believe someone who is physically and mentally capable of working should receive the Basic Income even if they have no intention of working?
 

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In other words the Basic Income proposal is social welfare by another name despite supporters claiming that It will replace the welfare state.
No, it is universal and not means tested. You could retire tomorrow with €200k in the bank and a house and get €40k per annum courtesy of your neighbours - the chumps still working.
 

General Urko

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Our nax would turn their snouts up at the proposed Swiss one, a knack marrying his first cousin at 18 and having 10 inbred sprogs will be on the equivalent between dole and sprogs allowance of a single person earning €95 K a year!
And that is not factoring the probability that at least 1 sprog will be diagnosed ADHD, then you are in a free electricity, free travel and free TV license for not only the sprog but the so called parents as well!
 

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If your're unskilled unemployed with a large family receiving dole, rent allowance, mickey money etc, there's no incentive to work because you won't make as much as on the dole.

With a basic income, it removes that poverty trap and any income you'd make working would be in addition to not instead of the basic income.
Think laterally. The affordable solution is cut the level or term of welfare.
 

General Urko

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It truly amazes me with our SW rates for large inbred families that there are more so called Irish travelers in the UK than here!
 


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