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Will there be a split in the IFA?


Seanie Lemass

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Once the most monolithic and powerful of Irish sectoral groups, the IFA is in turmoil over the proposals to change the farm payments system.

There is a clear divide between a tiny number of massive recipients and small to medium producers who stand to benefit from a move towards area based payments.

IFA have more or less abandoned area meetings on the issue because of opposition to the leadership but there are a series of meetings in western counties planned over next few weeks where there is strong support for change.

Some choice language from the big boys too about 'social welfare farmers' and 'wasters' and the like!

Interesting times down on the farm!
 


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Some choice language from the big boys too about 'social welfare farmers' and 'wasters' and the like!
Now, that is no way to talk about John Bruton, Eamon Gilmore, Dicey Reilly, and Pat Rabbitte.
 

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I was, in a smart arse fashion, about to ask how many more threads do we need on IRA splits before I thankfully read the post and title again and managed to avoid making a tool of myself ( yes again before I get any replies) :)
 

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Once the most monolithic and powerful of Irish sectoral groups, the IFA is in turmoil over the proposals to change the farm payments system.

There is a clear divide between a tiny number of massive recipients and small to medium producers who stand to benefit from a move towards area based payments.

IFA have more or less abandoned area meetings on the issue because of opposition to the leadership but there are a series of meetings in western counties planned over next few weeks where there is strong support for change.

Some choice language from the big boys too about 'social welfare farmers' and 'wasters' and the like!

Interesting times down on the farm!
Apparently there are more people employed in the HSE than work in agriculture industry. Farmers are not the people they once were.
 

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The Official IFA, Provisional IFA, Continuity IFA, Real IFA?

There are people in farming in Ireland who cannot survive without hand outs from Europe.

They need to go.
 

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Apparently there are more people employed in the HSE than work in agriculture industry. Farmers are not the people they once were.
Any chance that we might see a split in the HSE ?

The pro-Dicey HSE, and the pro-Shortall HSE....
 

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The Official IFA, Provisional IFA, Continuity IFA, Real IFA?

There are people in farming in Ireland who cannot survive without hand outs from Europe.

They need to go.
There are people farming in Ireland who cannot survive without another job.
 

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Seanie Lemass

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The Official IFA, Provisional IFA, Continuity IFA, Real IFA?

There are people in farming in Ireland who cannot survive without hand outs from Europe.

They need to go.


The ones who benefit most are a tiny number which includes Glanbia and the Goodmans who get huge money.

Less than 2,000 get more between them than the bottom 50,000!
 

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There are people farming in Ireland who cannot survive without another job.


That is true. So do you force them out and onto the dole? Do you destroy farming in more than half the country to leave a few big fellas?
 

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Any chance that we might see a split in the HSE ?

The pro-Dicey HSE, and the pro-Shortall HSE....
The pro-Dicey faction could be the HES the pro-Shortall SHE and those that did not understand the split could be the EHS.
 

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It's Ireland. We're mad.


It is expensive because it is valued at potential value if you built on it!

Which is heart of argument about farmers being assessed on 'assets' for third level grants. You might have land 'worth' whatever and still be earning in real terms 20 - 30 k a year.
 

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Once the most monolithic and powerful of Irish sectoral groups, the IFA is in turmoil over the proposals to change the farm payments system.

There is a clear divide between a tiny number of massive recipients and small to medium producers who stand to benefit from a move towards area based payments.

IFA have more or less abandoned area meetings on the issue because of opposition to the leadership but there are a series of meetings in western counties planned over next few weeks where there is strong support for change.

Some choice language from the big boys too about 'social welfare farmers' and 'wasters' and the like!

Interesting times down on the farm!
Any link or evidence for a real IFA split?
That divide has been on the go for years ... which resulted in the creation of the SFA for the smaller farmers
 

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It is expensive because it is valued at potential value if you built on it!

Which is heart of argument about farmers being assessed on 'assets' for third level grants. You might have land 'worth' whatever and still be earning in real terms 20 - 30 k a year.
It's also expensive because so little of it changes hands, The Irish still have a massive attachment to the land.
A few weeks ago I was down in my old local in Galway, and there was a discussion going on regarding a 10 acre plot thats for sale, the discussion was more intense and longer than any discussion about ROG been dropped by Kidney in Kiely's or the MI!!
 

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There is an income/opportunity in most Atlantic counties. A bit of economic activity near Galway city, and in Central & South Cork/Cork City.

It is not just an agricultural problem.

A farmer in Wicklow with no income could always try getting a job in Dublin. It is not like that in much of the West.
 

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