Will trade unions allow rapid recruitment of nurses' helpers essential to containing COVID-19 pandemic?

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The key measures needed to contain the Covid-19 pandemic are rapid expansion of hospital bed capacity, installation of respiratory equipment and rapid mass recruitment of nurses' helpers. Given the nursing shortage and the high,serious COVID illness toll among nurses, nurses could soon be overwhelmed. So a really important question is ,will trade unions drop the historic ban on nurses' helpers? Good international practice in the UK and elsewhere allows helpers and qualified assistant nurses to work in hospitals.See Irish nurses unions' virtual closed shop against nursing assistants and associate professionals
PS Are most of the increases in hospital bed capacities coming from cancellation of all elective surgeries? Many so called elective surgeries are vitally important and need to be resumed soon.
 
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The key measures needed to contain the Covid-19 pandemic are rapid expansion of hospital bed capacity, installation of respiratory equipment and rapid mass recruitment of nurses' helpers. Given the nursing shortage and the high,serious COVID illness toll among nurses, nurses could soon be overwhelmed. So a really important question is ,will trade unions drop the historic ban on nurses' helpers? Good international practice in the UK and elsewhere allows helpers and qualified assistant nurses to work in hospitals.See Irish nurses unions' virtual closed shop against nursing assistants and associate professionals
I hope they don't sink that low and object to it during this life and death situation.
 

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I hope they don't sink that low and object to it during this life and death situation.
Anecdotally, I've heard some businesses are ignoring safety of workers working in close proximity. Unions are supposed to be more ethical so we'll soon find out.
 

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Anecdotally, I've heard some businesses are ignoring safety of workers working in close proximity. Unions are supposed to be more ethical so we'll soon find out.
There should be a lot of interest in this critically important issue.
 

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It's almost as if you've debased the value of your OPs by relentless public sector bashing, so when you do say something that matters, no one cares.
 

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It's almost as if you've debased the value of your OPs by relentless public sector bashing, so when you do say something that matters, no one cares.
Lots of interest,many replies like yours and often several thousand hits. Many public sector unions deserve a good bashing for their relentless exploitation of weak coalition governments for gold plated pay,pensions and working conditions at the expense of taxpayers.
 

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Considering that the unions have been screaming for more staff for years and the right wing political parties are the ones reducing numbers.
Ireland had more nurses per 100,000 population than all OECD countries bar Norway a few years ago despite a relatively young population. What were they all doing?
 

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When we answer that one can we ask if they are going to stop beating their wives?
 

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Lots of interest,many replies like yours and often several thousand hits. Many public sector unions deserve a good bashing for their relentless exploitation of weak coalition governments for gold plated pay,pensions and working conditions at the expense of taxpayers.
Don't confuse views with support
 

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Considering that the unions have been screaming for more staff for years and the right wing political parties are the ones reducing numbers.
The OP is classic "Boy who cried wolf"....and few are taking notice.
Also there are many nurses and health workers in direct provision that are not allowed to work...Why?
 

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Jaysus patslatt - you are getting your rear end handed to you an a different thread so you decide to start a new one.

You do know that the trade unions have been demanding for years to recruit more staff - it is your buddies imposing austerity that have wrecked the health service and left it unable to fight this crisis.
 

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Ireland had more nurses per 100,000 population than all OECD countries bar Norway a few years ago despite a relatively young population. What were they all doing?
Saving lives - just like they are trying to do now - while putting their own lives at risk
 

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The OP is classic "Boy who cried wolf"....and few are taking notice.
Also there are many nurses and health workers in direct provision that are not allowed to work...Why?
The government wants to discourage economic migrants. The numbers in direct provision are relatively small AFAIK.
Syrians used to be mildly Islamic in the socialist state before the civil war, with women enjoying a lot of freedom compared to most Islamic countries. Before the war, Syrians would have been reasonably successful migrants in Europe, like Turks who suffered discrimination as fictitious German guest workers.. To the extent the war has created a lot of jihadists among them, they would be risky migrants.
 

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Jaysus patslatt - you are getting your rear end handed to you an a different thread so you decide to start a new one.

You do know that the trade unions have been demanding for years to recruit more staff - it is your buddies imposing austerity that have wrecked the health service and left it unable to fight this crisis.
Restrictive practices prevented nurses helpers and certified nursing assistants from working in Irish hospitals, so it's hypocritical of unions to be whingeing about staff shortages.
As for austerity,those who complain about it are like a person who runs up an extravagant credit card bill that can't be paid and whinges that mean bankers won't increase the credit limit.
 

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Saving lives - just like they are trying to do now - while putting their own lives at risk
Many Irish nurse are doing jobs on salaries about 40% higher than UK nurses that could be done ar far lower cost to taxpayers by nurses helpers and certified nurses assistants as in the UK.
It's admirable that medical staff are taking high risks to serve COVID patients. But that's a separate issue from the obviously grossly inefficient utilisation of nursing capacity.
 

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Many Irish nurse are doing jobs on salaries about 40% higher than UK nurses that could be done ar far lower cost to taxpayers by nurses helpers and certified nurses assistants as in the UK.
It's admirable that medical staff are taking high risks to serve COVID patients. But that's a separate issue from the obviously grossly inefficient utilisation of nursing capacity.
So - when there is a pandemic - and a major shortage of nurses - and the global establishment is spending $trillions bailing out stock markets - you are complaining about the wages nurses are getting paid while they are risking their lives to try and save vulnerable people in a health service that has been savaged by your pals - you have some ****ing cheek.
 

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So - when there is a pandemic - and a major shortage of nurses - and the global establishment is spending $trillions bailing out stock markets - you are complaining about the wages nurses are getting paid while they are risking their lives to try and save vulnerable people in a health service that has been savaged by your pals - you have some ****ing cheek.
In wartime, should Irish front line soldiers be paid 40% more than the front line of our allies with similar economic standards of living? Your argument implicitly suggests that if they weren't risking their lives, they shouldn't be paid 40% more than UK nurses.
 

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The corrupt coalition of FG/FF were calling them 'unskilled' not so long ago....now they are 'key workers'.
They can't be trusted....it's why they were rejected at the ballot box.
 


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