Wind Farm Scam : The Movie



Agnotologist

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Godfrey Bloom!. AGW denier!

You should keep better company if you want to be taken seriously.
 

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Any scientist. Anyone actually working with wind power who does not have an interest in preventing the development of alternate power sources.
 

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Who would be "better company"?.
Pretty much anyone.

I just don't think [women] clean behind the fridge enough ... I am here to represent Yorkshire women who always have dinner on the table when you get home.
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Standing in front of the new Rainbow Warrior, referring to the murder of Fernando Pereira and the sinking of its predecessor:

Here we have one of the most truly fascist boats since 1945, Well done the French for sinking [it].
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Any scientist. Anyone actually working with wind power who does not have an interest in preventing the development of alternate power sources.
Leaving aside your dislike for Godfrey Bloom what do you think about the windfarm industry?. Do you think it is all above board or not?. Do you dismiss information if someone you dislike is involved?.
 

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Leaving aside your dislike for Godfrey Bloom what do you think about the windfarm industry?. Do you think it is all above board or not?. Do you dismiss information if someone you dislike is involved?.
Do you dismiss information if someone you dislike is involved?
 

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Many claims in that film clip are simply false. It does hardly cite any sources for its allegations. Who are those people?

Godfrey Bloom from the right wing UKIP. UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom Uses Expenses to Pay Family and Other Workers in His Private Company

The fake UKIP party, still reeling from the revelation that its leader Nigel Farage has swindled claimed more than £2 million in expenses, has been shaken once again by the news that another of its MEPs uses his Euro parliamentary staff allowance to pay three assistants who are also employed at an investment company in which he is a major shareholder.
More about at The Times.

He runs the TBO Investments Limited
The Financial Services Authority (FSA) has fined TBO Investments Limited (TBO) £28,000 for failing to clearly document the explanation of the risks of transactions to clients. It also failed to make and retain records that demonstrate the suitability of its advice and ensure that its business is conducted in accordance with FSA requirements.
He is also a climate change denier.
"I have seen no published evidence that goes beyond a rather unlikely hypothesis that man caused global warming and it is getting thinner by the day," he said. "So before we disturb the global economy we need to take a step back and re-evaluate."

To make a long story short, Godfrey Bloom is surely not a man of trust and integrity, and the same applies to his film clip.


Wind power has been discussed for weeks in the p.ie thread, "Kevin Myers on wind power in todays Sindo 31-08-2010".


What impacts do other power stations have?

Coal, oil, gas: CO2, rising fuel costs, climate change, limitted fuel supply.

Nuclear: Higher capital costs even than wind, large scale mining, 10 times more CO2 than wind (incl. embedded energy), health risk, unsolved waste management for nuclear waste radiating for hundreds of thousands of years, limitted fuel supply.
 

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Another movie. Very sad.

Windfall The Movie
Another 'Zeitgeist' against wind power, GiG?

I caught you with your calculation in another thread where I can confidently say that you are false by a factor of more than 100.

Do you know how many real sad movies there are about nuclear energy which you're favouring?

Edit: GiG wanted to tell us that wind tubines in Ireland would produce three times more CO2 than they would save by not burning fossil fuels.
He is calling it "science, data, arithmetic". Probably the same science, data and arithmetic on which Godfrey Bloom's film clip is based on.
GiG has been ignoring me pointing out that his numbers are wrong. No wonder that real scientists are coming to a different conclusion.

An article citing several studies (incl.sources) tells us that wind has a greater impact on CO2 savings than previously thought.

The Facts About Wind Energy and Emissions

Washington, DC, United States - 01 September 2010 - Recent data and analyses have made it clear that the emissions savings from adding wind energy to the grid are even larger than had been commonly thought. In addition to each kilowatt-hour (kWh) of wind energy directly offsetting a kWh that would have been produced by a fossil-fired power plant, new analyses show that wind plants further reduce emissions by forcing the most polluting and inflexible power plants offline and causing them to be replaced by more efficient and flexible types of generation.
So far to the claim in the film "there is no scientific evidence that wind tubines save CO2 emissions".
That's just untrue.
 
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Funny. 2005 Godfrey Bloom's TBO Investments Limited published a brochure which states,

The ethical option

There was a time when ethical investment was thought of as, at best, a minority interest for sandal-wearers and, at worst, a contradiction in terms. Those days have long since passed. Ethical investment is now part of the investment mainstream, thanks to government pressure, growing awareness of environmental issues and demand from institutional and private investors

On the way to its current status, ethical investment has undergone something of a name change, so that it is now often referred to as ocially responsible investment (SRI).
Research undertaken by Ethical Investment Research Service (EIRIS) puts the size of private investor SRI funds at over £5.5bn at the end of 2004, a nearly sevenfold growth over the previous 10 years. If you want to join the growing numbers of ethical investors, you now have a wide choice:

Unit trusts and Open-Ended Investment Companies (OIECs)
Most of the major investment management groups offer at least one SRI fund and the Investment Management Association lists over 40 ethical funds. The majority of these funds are concentrated in the UK, but some have an overseas bias. Their diversity means there is no specific ethical fund sector, but there is a 20-member ethical subset of the largest single fund sector, UK All Companies. SRI funds are all eligible for investment through ISAs and PEPs, although some have a high minimum investment level, which makes them suitable only for plan transfers.

Life assurance funds
You can invest in SRI funds through investment bonds and other life assurance policies. Many of the life funds are 100% invested in the ethical unit trust or OEIC that shares the same name.

Pension funds
As with life funds, many pension plans offer an ethical investment option through funds which invest in ethical unit trusts or OEICs.
Just as no two individuals’ ethics are the same, so the ethical stances of funds vary. If there is a particular investment area that you want to avoid – such as animal research – make sure you take advice before investing.
Just because they are ethical or responsible does not necessarily make these funds any less risky. The value of these investments can fluctuate and it is possible you might not get back a significant proportion of your investment. Past performance is not an indication of future performance and may not be repeated.
Doesn't sound they were that much against wind at that time. :)
 

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This is hardly a surprise as this stage. Everyone and their grandmother knows that the only efficient renewable energy source is Hydropower. However, the enviromentalists won't contemplate allowing dams to be built on our waterways. It's either that, nuclear power or fossil fuel stations.
Live with it greenies. The world won't regress to suit you.
 

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This is hardly a surprise as this stage. Everyone and their grandmother knows that the only efficient renewable energy source is Hydropower. However, the enviromentalists won't contemplate allowing dams to be built on our waterways. It's either that, nuclear power or fossil fuel stations.
Live with it greenies. The world won't regress to suit you.
You can very well compare cost / benefit of the different systems. There are tons of studies in the web. One only needs to read and understand them.
Hydro is very limitted in Ireland. Our renewable resources are wind, wave and tidal. Wind is the most reasonable one at the moment, but from a certain input on it needs storage.
 

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Another 'Zeitgeist' against wind power, GiG?

I caught you with your calculation in another thread where I can confidently say that you are false by a factor of more than 100.

Do you know how many real sad movies there are about nuclear energy which you're favouring?

Edit: GiG wanted to tell us that wind tubines in Ireland would produce three times more CO2 than they would save by not burning fossil fuels.
He is calling it "science, data, arithmetic". Probably the same science, data and arithmetic on which Godfrey Bloom's film clip is based on.
GiG has been ignoring me pointing out that his numbers are wrong. No wonder that real scientists are coming to a different conclusion.

An article citing several studies (incl.sources) tells us that wind has a greater impact on CO2 savings than previously thought.

[URL="http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/print/article/2010/09/the-facts-about-wind-energy-and-emissions"]The Facts About Wind Energy and Emissions[/URL]

So far to the claim in the film "there is no scientific evidence that wind tubines save CO2 emissions".
That's just untrue.

And of course, as usual, Sir Charles provides us with a link from a totally unbiased source.:rolleyes:
 

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more bs from the fact-deniers - people should have better things to do with their time that watch crap like this.
 

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Ok... So what do you think about the windfarm industry?.
I'm not sure what you mean by the the windfarm 'industry'. I have met people with permission for a couple of windmills on their rural farm, there are major landowners, Airtricity and other major suppliers, manufacturers of turbines, and many others that could call themselves part of the windfarm 'industry'. I don't see that they operate as a monolith, or even always have common interests. I'm sure that they are mostly humans, and will operate in their own perceived interests, as most people do.

As to the expansion of windfarms, I think that it is such an obvious win for Ireland that it would be lunatic to ignore it. All of the objections seem to be based that presumption that the setup of the national grid and other electrical infrastructure, which has historically been optimised for fossil fuels, will continue to be so.
 


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