Wind Turbines: The end is nigh?



sic transit

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Theres been plenty of threads on the issue with plenty of evidence put forward that high energy prices and wind go hand and hand.

Just look at the table of energy prices in Europe and the countries at the top all lead the way in wind capacity on there grid

http://gegenwind-starnberg.de/wp-content/uploads/wind-strompreis_n.png

plus an explanation for this fact which can be seen across the world

Sun, wind and drain | The Economist
Ours have a lot more to do with overpaid ESB workers! Incidentally do you have any alternatives or are you just agin renewables?
 

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I see nothing in it but NIMBYism. There is a windfarm off the M7 between Borris-in-Ossory and Roscrea and one of the turbines near the motorway has a house very close to it. I thought it odd that this was allowed by planners so decided to make enquiries locally.

I was informed that the occupants of that house own the land on which the turbine sits - didn't think to ask if they own any more than one - so what that suggests is that Irish people hear these noises if they have no financial reward. Change that and the noise is grand.

There are a number of community Turbines around the country too in similar proximity to members of the community involved and they too seem happy with the intrusion as they benefit from it financially.

A nation of friggin NIMBYs we are. How come we don't get all that upset when crooks like Charlie Haughey rob us? How come we don't get that upset when we discover child abuse on an industrial scale among a certain segment of the population? How come there wasn't a single bank branch razed to the ground in anger after what they collectively did to all of us? Not even a broken window in fact.

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Rubbish - that ugly monstosity has already damaged a local tourist business in the area

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It's a bit like the VW emissions thing. It can and does work as advertised in the most perfect of testing environments. In the real world, though, not so much. Grid connection, transmission lines, on demand production, etc. just aren't quite there yet, but because of grants and incentives, people are planting windmills like trees all over the place.
That's too sensible of an answer. It should have suggested wind turbines emit some type of ultra low frequency radio wave that causes brain cancer or something. Also you should have pointed out that wind turbines are ecologically damaging and worse than coal! At the very least it should have said.........

wind is a scam to harvest subsidies from gullible consumers.
Now THAT'S quality trolling.

Welcome back BTW.

Rubbish - that ugly monstosity has already damaged a local tourist business in the area

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Were you Don Quixote in a former life because you really have a thing against wind power. It borders on the psychotic!
 

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Just to pick two data points, Sweden and Norway.
Similar economies, similar geographies, populations. Sweden is marginally more expensive with 3 times the wind production.

There are many factors, geography, cost of living, wages, gov taxes, etc etc.
It's ludicrous to graph that and use it as a hard data point supporting your argument.
 

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Ours have a lot more to do with overpaid ESB workers! Incidentally do you have any alternatives or are you just agin renewables?
ESB workers have always been well paid. The rise in Irish energy prices is totally related to this country adding vast amounts of wind farm capacity in the last 15 years. Wind isn't an alternative to anything since it is a non-dispatcheable and unreliable power source. This country should be looking to sustaineable willow biomass produced on are vast area area of exhausted midland bogs, biogass from our vast amount of agri waste etc. We should also be exploiting the world wide long term glut of cheap Natural Gas via LPG.
 

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Just to pick two data points, Sweden and Norway.
Similar economies, similar geographies, populations. Sweden is marginally more expensive with 3 times the wind production.

There are many factors, geography, cost of living, wages, gov taxes, etc etc.
It's ludicrous to graph that and use it as a hard data point supporting your argument.

Rubbish - both countries have vast hydro resources that back up their wind power. Ireland has very little hydro and does not have the type of geography to develope that resource compared to Sweden and Norway.
 
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Rubbish - both countries have vast hydro resources and are in no way comparible to the Irish situation.
My point was that the graph in your link proves nothing, certainly doesn't prove a link between high wind energy production and high electricity prices. Can you add any actual proof to this assertion?

I'm happy enough to accept that wind production has some impact on prices, but haven't seen anything to justify scaling back wind production.
 

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ESB workers have always been well paid. The rise in Irish energy prices is totally related to this country adding vast amounts of wind farm capacity in the last 15 years. Wind isn't an alternative to anything since it is a non-dispatcheable and unreliable power source. This country should be looking to sustaineable willow biomass produced on are vast area area of exhausted midland bogs, biogass from our vast amount of agri waste etc. We should also be exploiting the world wide long term glut of cheap Natural Gas via LPG.
Some good suggestions in this thread from Ren84:

"It's time for Ireland to embrace nuclear energy."

Sorry, I'm a newbie and don't yet have the required amount of posts to link the actual thread.

Edit: Do you own a vast area of exhausted midland bog, by any chance?
 

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ESB workers have always been well paid. The rise in Irish energy prices is totally related to this country adding vast amounts of wind farm capacity in the last 15 years. Wind isn't an alternative to anything since it is a non-dispatcheable and unreliable power source. This country should be looking to sustaineable willow biomass produced on are vast area area of exhausted midland bogs, biogass from our vast amount of agri waste etc. We should also be exploiting the world wide long term glut of cheap Natural Gas via LPG.
Any data to support? How much of unit price today is due to wind production?
 

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ESB workers have always been well paid. The rise in Irish energy prices is totally related to this country adding vast amounts of wind farm capacity in the last 15 years. Wind isn't an alternative to anything since it is a non-dispatcheable and unreliable power source. This country should be looking to sustaineable willow biomass produced on are vast area area of exhausted midland bogs, biogass from our vast amount of agri waste etc. We should also be exploiting the world wide long term glut of cheap Natural Gas via LPG.
Like others. I am still waiting to see links to prove that our costs are as a direct result of wind power. Most recent increases were down to the rise in carbon fuel prices. So you'll take ones you like and use anything else to avoid the ones you don't? How much biomass does it take to run a decent sized power station and secondly who'd get it past the NIMBYs?
 
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Research such as what? Is there an actual point to your questions?
You stated that the primary reason for high energy prices in Ireland is down to "overpaid employees" in ESB.

You have yet to show me (or anyone else) how exactly you arrived at that.
 


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