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Windy Indie Syndrome

statsman

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It appears that the IA TDs and FG are holding an emergency meeting this evening to discuss the Waterford hospital issue, with Junior Minister John Halligan threatening to resign over this local spat.

John Halligan threatens to resign over Waterford hospital services

This after Lord Ross joined a protest in his constituency against the proposed construction of a handful of new homes. Homeless crisis; what crisis?

Do the Indos understand that they are part of a national government? Are they, on the whole, fit to serve in cabinet?

I think not.
 


ruserious

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They want to sing from both sides of the chamber which cannot happen. It is their duty to act in the national interest for their constituents. Collapsing a government is not in the public interest and therefore, these pork barrel boyos are unsuitable for government.
 

tipofdiceberg

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It appears that the IA TDs and FG are holding an emergency meeting this evening to discuss the Waterford hospital issue, with Junior Minister John Halligan threatening to resign over this local spat.

John Halligan threatens to resign over Waterford hospital services

This after Lord Ross joined a protest in his constituency against the proposed construction of a handful of new homes. Homeless crisis; what crisis?

Do the Indos understand that they are part of a national government? Are they, on the whole, fit to serve in cabinet?

I think not.
It's difficult to be whipped into shape and tow the line when negotiating with a bunch of "LIARS".

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/apple-fallout-fine-gael-ministers-fear-budget-will-not-pass-35019424.html
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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IA [6] :
Seán Canney,
Michael Fitzmaurice,
John Halligan,
Finian McGrath,
Kevin "Boxer" Moran
Lord Ross.



Michael Collins
Catherine Connolly
Michael Fitzmaurice
Noel Grealish
Danny Healy-Rae
Michael Healy-Rae
Michael Harty
Michael Lowry
Mattie McGrath
Denis Naughten
Maureen O'Sullivan
Thomas Pringle
Katherine Zappone


There's a few there that won't be reelcted Zappone, Collins, Harty and Connolly would seem to be one -termers. Many of the rest left or were thrown out of main parties but remain satellites.

I'd say the independents4change-- Colins, Daly , Wallace and Broughan will hang in.


On the OP................there does seem to be a lot of people wrestling with their conscience and winning alright.


New politics? hah!
 

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It appears that the IA TDs and FG are holding an emergency meeting this evening to discuss the Waterford hospital issue, with Junior Minister John Halligan threatening to resign over this local spat.

John Halligan threatens to resign over Waterford hospital services

This after Lord Ross joined a protest in his constituency against the proposed construction of a handful of new homes. Homeless crisis; what crisis?

Do the Indos understand that they are part of a national government? Are they, on the whole, fit to serve in cabinet?

I think not.
The only difference between independents and party slaves is the whip.

Independents acting independently... who'd have thought that would happen?
 

statsman

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The only difference between independents and party slaves is the whip.

Independents acting independently... who'd have thought that would happen?
If they want to act independently, they should not have joined government. They want to have their cake and eat it.
 

ergo2

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If an Indie gets really windy, Stephen's phone is always on
 

redacted

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If they want to act independently, they should not have joined government. They want to have their cake and eat it.
Is there a specific rule that they are breaking (That's a genuine question)
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Resigning over heart attacks? Shame that some don't resign over the many strokes that we have to tolerate
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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Is there a specific rule that they are breaking (That's a genuine question)
The rule of honesty. They were all about the new politics an end to the pork barrel and holding Ministers to account. Ensuring best practice was followed.

The two examples quoted in the OP show these people are as self interested as the Healy Rae's but less honest.
 

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Collective cabinet responsibility, for starters.
That sounds more like some fluffy notion rather than a rule. How would that determine what they do in a private capacity? They're not subject to the whip.
 

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The rule of honesty. They were all about the new politics an end to the pork barrel and holding Ministers to account. Ensuring best practice was followed.

The two examples quoted in the OP show these people are as self interested as the Healy Rae's but less honest.
What is the fixation with holding independents to a different standard than the party slaves. The rule of honesty? Come on!

I know you certainly don't think that we have many politicians who aren't acting in self-interest. Hence the whip.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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If A goes into government and agrees to support some policies with which that person doesn't agree, in exchange for getting B, then if B is not provided, why should A not resign?
 

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